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[slaqdog]

I attended an interview for a job with a 'mcdonalds' type school in the UK; the advertisement said 'salary to be discussed at interview'.
There was no discussion only a �12 p/h offer; no sickness pay as the job is hourly pay and the DOS was unable to say how many weeks holiday (maybe 3 but he couldn't say). A couple of observations:
1/ �12,000 p/a is poverty level pay in the UK
2/ 'to be discussed at the interview' should mean that not just 'tis is the offer'
Why teach in the UK? What's the point? Why support this level of exploitation?

[spiral78]

It was probably 'to be discussed in the interview' because they were embarassed to make such info public in a job advert

[barabbas]

I don't think there is any point in teaching EFL in the UK, unless it fits your circumstances (e.g. you are married to someone rich and are just looking for something sociable to fill up the day).

I'd agree that most places that have 'negotiable' salaries are just ashamed of what they are offering, and hope to attract quality candidates then try and win them over at the interview with presenting a nice atmosphere/ it's great for your CV/ or suchlike - or not even that!

I'm not sure though it's simple exploitation, not at all the places. There was a recent ELGazette article showing how students in London pay less than students in China (still a developing country...).

It didn't use to be like this, and it's a great shame that the whole industry in the UK has sunk, though again this could be said of many places worldwide, if not to the same extent.

[bje]

Exactly the same could apply to Australia, with the exception of decent hourly rates at university language centres, where higher credentials and more experience are needed, and casual positions the norm.

[Insubordination]

But still, no one in Australia is earning 12000 pounds (even when you consider the exchange rate). Even in my worst year, I cleared AUD$40 000.

I can't speak for other states but in NSW, You should be getting $30-48/hr (for ELICOS)- or $60-70 (unis, TAFE, AMES) as there is an award wage. There are pretty much no permanent jobs with holidays, which makes the industry very unattractive. I only do it because I like it and it's not boring and it's not 8 hours per day like every other job.

[doner]

I love the way that the cleaners secretaries and receptionists earn more than the teachers.

[barabbas]

I remember working at a London summer school, casually chatting to the kitchen staff, and finding out that they were on a considerably higher hourly wage than the teachers.

[basiltherat]

so much for the 'Free Market Mechanism' ......... or should that be 'Black Market' ?

Best
Basil

[sharter]

You don't get a living wage in many places these days...........forget Poland.

[scot47]

...............................get a respectable job driving a bus or doing something sensible. Alternatively come and join us in the Middle East where teachers still get paid a decent salary