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Best way for two friends to be placed in the same area?
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employee



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 5:04 pm    Post subject: Best way for two friends to be placed in the same area? Reply with quote

Hello there all. My friend and I would like to be placed in Tokyo come this January. From what I've been reading it seems like tuff work to get places in Tokyo as is. Would you recommend going through an agency and applying together? Any info on this is greatly appreciated.

We both have BA's and each a year and a half of ESL experience abroad from our home countries.
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Bread



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's "an agency"?

Honestly, the best way to be placed together is to be willing to work out in the countryside where nobody wants to go. It's hard enough to get a job in Tokyo to begin with, let alone two jobs from the same company for people with no experience in Japan.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You want to start work in January? Pretty dead time of year for any eikaiwa, and no ALT will start then. Those are your options.

Starting in January means getting an interview and hired around Oct/Nov, and those are also pretty dead advertising times, so you should rethink your timeline first.

As for being placed in the same area, I'm not so sure about Bread's assessment. If you are placed in a rural area, you might not even be sent to the same rural area (where there are obviously fewer opportunities). Yes, I agree with Bread in that many/most people have preferences to be placed in a big city, but I think if you just focus on finding work, that's the best you can do.

Think about it. The market is so flooded with teachers right now that you don't have much of a luxury of choosing where to work, let alone where two of you work.

Why do you want to work in the same city/area anyway?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:


Why do you want to work in the same city/area anyway?


Glenski, this one doesn't need to be asked, surely. They want to be nearby because they are friends. They probably know no-one in Japan at this point and would like to be able to hang out together and give each other support in a completely foreign country.

I like working in the same city as at least some of my friends as well- I wouldn't really get to see them, otherwise.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 12, 2010 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are many factors involved that we don't know, but you can always tell your recruiter/interviewer that you want to be placed together. I asked to be placed near a certain city because one of my good friends lived there, and they told me that I could be placed elsewhere or wait 3 months. I decided to wait, and got what I wanted and am very pleased. It depends very much on your company and situation, however. Good luck.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies all. It sounds like January isn't the time for us to go and if that's the case what are the best hiring months you'd recommend? We'd be doing this from America. Would our best bet be to go through a larger company like AEON or ECC? Thanks again for the input
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you get hired from the U.S., you'll have to deal only with large employers who have the money to do the overseas recruiting and who have a large number of offices in Japan.

By that number alone, there is no guarantee at all that you will wind up together. Employers can only promise to take your request into consideration, but in the end you go where they have the vacancies.

Peak hiring months for most entry level jobs are Feb & March for the April start dates. You might look a little earlier for ALT jobs; can't say when dispatch agencies advertise, but JET asks for applications at the end of the year (Nov/Dec is the deadline for Americans).
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2010 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Peak hiring months for most entry level jobs are Feb & March for the April start dates. You might look a little earlier for ALT jobs; can't say when dispatch agencies advertise, but JET asks for applications at the end of the year (Nov/Dec is the deadline for Americans).

Dispatch peak is a bit earlier. When I interviewed, my interviewer told me that they were just finishing the bulk of the hiring and that was beginning of January. I guess they need a little more time than Eikawas because as well as having to apply for COEs, they need to sell new recruits to the BOEs.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

seklarwia wrote:
Dispatch peak is a bit earlier. When I interviewed, my interviewer told me that they were just finishing the bulk of the hiring and that was beginning of January. I guess they need a little more time than Eikawas because as well as having to apply for COEs, they need to sell new recruits to the BOEs.
It may also be a matter of how much more they infiltrate the BOEs that year and convince them that they actually "need" an ALT, not necessarily selling them on any one (nationality of?) ALT.

The whole point of dispatch agencies is that they take away the perceived work/hassles of hiring & firing, and that the BOE or school isn't obligated to pay for shakai hoken. Not every school or BOE entertains the prospect of an ALT, though.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only way to guarentee you can work together would be to head to Tokyo together and look for work. Save loads of money, book yourselves into the same guesthouse or share an apartment owned by a landlord that doesn't require a Japanese guarentour, and try your luck.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
It may also be a matter of how much more they infiltrate the BOEs that year and convince them that they actually "need" an ALT, not necessarily selling them on any one (nationality of?) ALT.

Nationality? BOEs want to know more than just the nationality of their potential ALTs before they accept them. That's why we have to complete online profile pages after we get hired. The BOEs even want to see our interview tapes sometimes. The process of matching ALTs with BOEs takes time and they often don't simply accept the first one offered.

What you are talking about doesn't explain why the dispatch peak hiring ends earlier than eikawa; which was the point I was making.

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The whole point of dispatch agencies is that they take away the perceived work/hassles of hiring & firing, and that the BOE or school isn't obligated to pay for shakai hoken. Not every school or BOE entertains the prospect of an ALT, though.

Not sure why you brought this up. I don't understand why 'reasons BOEs choose dispatch' has anything to do with the peak time for dispatch hiring.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seklarwia wrote:
Glenski wrote:
It may also be a matter of how much more they infiltrate the BOEs that year and convince them that they actually "need" an ALT, not necessarily selling them on any one (nationality of?) ALT.

Nationality? BOEs want to know more than just the nationality of their potential ALTs before they accept them. That's why we have to complete online profile pages after we get hired.
I would hope so, but aren't there some that will only look at certain nationalities first, and then weed through their qualifications later?

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The BOEs even want to see our interview tapes sometimes. The process of matching ALTs with BOEs takes time and they often don't simply accept the first one offered.
Wait. Why are BOEs looking at interview materials when they hire dispatch agencies to do such dirty work?

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What you are talking about doesn't explain why the dispatch peak hiring ends earlier than eikawa; which was the point I was making.
I'm not sure what you mean here about what I said earlier. I bow to people with experience in dispatch work to know when the hiring season is, but I thought I had already made that clear. I didn't disagree with you in the previous post, just added info.

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The whole point of dispatch agencies is that they take away the perceived work/hassles of hiring & firing, and that the BOE or school isn't obligated to pay for shakai hoken. Not every school or BOE entertains the prospect of an ALT, though.

Not sure why you brought this up. I don't understand why 'reasons BOEs choose dispatch' has anything to do with the peak time for dispatch hiring.
My statement wasn't meant to relate with hiring periods. It just pointed out to the uninformed that AFAIK the BOEs are not the ones who do the hiring, but they rely on dispatchers as middlemen, and we all know that dispatchers are growing in numbers, so they have to get to BOEs to persuade them to take on their ALTs, sometimes even dissuade them from continuing with JET ALTs in favor of their own! That takes time, which might suggest reasons why they start their recruiting earlier than eikaiwas, too.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
[]Wait. Why are BOEs looking at interview materials when they hire dispatch agencies to do such dirty work?



I presume the agencies work in the same way as most recruiting organizations, that is that they do the bulk of the sifting through resumes, interviewing etc and they then present a few candidates to the employers for final consideration. That's usually how recruitment works and it's a rare organization that leaves the recruitment process entirely in the hands of a third party.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2010 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
but aren't there some that will only look at certain nationalities first, and then weed through their qualifications later?

We both know the answer to that. And there are even some that want their ALTs to look a certain way - one of the managers told me that they often have the "They are not white. Is this going to be a problem for you?" conversation with BOEs. But there are employers like this the world over. A UK city council recently hit the news for advertising for two "non-white" candidates for paid internship leading to a higher education qualification and even a well-paid job if they completed the internship satisfactory. Some discriminate for apparently noble reasons, most are just a***holes. But not all BOEs or employers discrimate in this fashion. My little BOE has me, Jamaicans and our famous direct hire who has been around for coming upto 8 years from Singapore Smile

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Wait. Why are BOEs looking at interview materials when they hire dispatch agencies to do such dirty work?

We had already been hired and our employers even had our COEs at this point. Our BOE watched demo tapes along with looking at our profiles to try and get a better idea about our personalities before they said yes. Some BOEs simply want an ALT and will accept anything offered by the dispatch company, others will say that they want an ALT who meet XYZ requirements, but others will want to play a more active role in the choosing of their ALTs - just like so many things in Japan; it's case by case.
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employee



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

could someone tell me what BOEs, ALTs and COEs are and they're differences?
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