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Cubism · Joined: 04 Jul 2008 Posts: 283 Location: US

I begin to agree, too, that life will continue. It's just so horrid to be publicly sneeringly rebuked by these vicious self-righteous lazy fao's. / so much nonsense. No, I didn't do anything. I thought it was all settled, understood, no big deal. Never set foot in the classrooms, let alone got drunk there (you'd be bored to be around me 5 minutes. I read, meditate, etc.) Seems likely that a scenario like the one I have now will occur again: there's this bit of paperwork that says I'm guilty of jumping a school, but they'll take a chance on me because my teaching record's so good.

Non Sequitur · Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 4724 Location: China

Yeah I know what you're saying Cubism but most of it is jealousy.
Those FAO types envy our mobility and involvement with the wider world.

rc81 · Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 85

El Chupacabra · Joined: 22 Jul 2009 Posts: 378 Location: Kwangchow

rc81 · Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 85

please be less vague.

i am leaving my school soon. they say they are giving me a reference letter but i wouldnt be surprised at all if they didnt. the last school i worked at did the same thing but that was in korea.

the kind of thing happens in asia all the time. they expect us to be gushingly grateful for employing us when the fact is, we could make more money in other places. i am not grateful for the job. i am willing to do it. i think that is more than enough. i never miss classes, i do my job. but in some cases thats not enough.

i just sent my resume to 5 places and i got basically an "ok, we will take you" response from three of them within an hour. does asia not understand that they need us more than we need them? a blacklist would just make everyones lives more difficult but if this does really exist, it wouldnt surprise me at all.

rc81 · Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 85

mat chen · Joined: 01 Nov 2009 Posts: 494 Location: xiangtan hunan

The rub. It works like this . U R a FAO and you have a job that enables you to have a hidden salary. You get your teachers from recruiters who charge you one month of their salaries after the teacher has proved themselves with a month of work. Now if the teacher is making 5,000 the recruiter is told they are only are making4,000 and sometimes less so the FAO pockets 1,000. Now there is the end of contract settlements such as overtime , airfare and travelling money. These can also be pocketed by the FAO by just getting rid of the teacher anytime during the contract. This is easy to do. You have a class do an evaluation of you if it comes out good they are asked to do another and if it is still good they do it again till Recruiters are the real problem because FAOs make their money from them. The more they change the staff the more money they can hide.
I know the feeling Cube. It is like being raped them being charge with prostitution by the police. Transparency doesn't exist here in China.
Get to Hong Kong and read the papers there and you will understand what is going on here in China. There are big problems with many foreigners now. Your treatment here also has a lot to do with your nationality. Every country has new rules . All French people are now required to return to their own countries now to extend their visas. Japanese who have homes and businesses must leave every three months. And as I write things are probably changing.

Non Sequitur · Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 4724 Location: China

Mat C clearly has more exp of the slush fund/skimming aspects of FAO life but hey they can be nasty for its own sake for reasons I've already mentioned.
Feelings of inferiority, rage at the system which took them down the wrong path are all factors.

rc81 · Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 85

can we get some more opinions? is this something we should actually be worried about?

rc81 · Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 85

guess not. its amazing that none of us have any hard information about this.

ill talk about my experience in korea. who knows how well it translates. I worked at two schools there. everything was fine as long as i was nice and acted like i wasnt a big deal. time passed, i got more relaxed, and had less patience when they did things like taking my passport and refusing to give it back.

you get a little angry because the people writing the paychecks think they can do anything they want and the inevitable conclusion is: "wait a second. this is a business. the job is speaking english. i do that better than anyone here. these people are trying to act like that isnt true. They are trying to teach me lessons but i am the one who actually comes from a developed country..."

i had a good relationship at my last school until probably 3 months after i left, which was when they started giving me bad references. (things like: he drank too much, he had unclothed girls in his apartment - nothing related to teaching, no comments about teaching. i never even took a sick day.) i wound up on a recruiter blacklist in korea. i can find a job if i avoid those recruiters. but the point remains.

my guess now is that this is probably stronger in china, but difficult to implement on a national level in a country of this size.

El Chupacabra · Joined: 22 Jul 2009 Posts: 378 Location: Kwangchow

rc81 · Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 85

rc81 · Joined: 03 Jul 2009 Posts: 85

guess what, im american. i will always make more money than you.

Non Sequitur · Joined: 23 May 2010 Posts: 4724 Location: China

I can't believe I just read the 'I'm an American' post.

daCabbie · Joined: 02 Sep 2007 Posts: 244

RC81 wrote:
"guess what, im american. i will always make more money than you."

Dude, were you drunk when you wrote this! I hope you wake up and realize what kind of mistake you made and delete the post.

That is hands down the dumbest thing a person has ever written on the forum.

Where in Xi'an do you work, RC81?