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Long Hair and getting a job in Japan
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flyer



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SaganWasHere wrote:

I see no problem with long hair (in Japan or elsewhere).


yes, you don't see any problem, but we are talking about Japanese employers, not you.
I think most will see a "problem" (??)
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I for one certainly am a hippie and proud of it. However, my hair is kept at 6 mm.
Enjoy,
S
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

flyer wrote:
SaganWasHere wrote:

I see no problem with long hair (in Japan or elsewhere).


yes, you don't see any problem, but we are talking about Japanese employers, not you.
I think most will see a "problem" (??)


...?

That's the entire point of this conversation. If Japanese employers (some) didn't have a problem with long hair, this wouldn't be a topic.

As I said before, there are many extensive cultural reasons as to why someone would want to keep long hair, including in my culture. I see no reason why a man can't have long hair while at the same time being professional.

I'm not trying to advocate "fighting the power" or whatever. If you want a specific job, you have to dress the part until things change. I'm just questioning why all of this is important.

When in Japan...do as the Japanese do. Within reason. Smile
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GambateBingBangBOOM



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seklarwia and Bread,

Every Situation Is Different (ESID).

That's why you see some dispatch companies saying 'wear whatever level the other teachers are' and others 'you must be in a full suit- blazer and slacks doesn't cut it- when you are playing dodge ball in the playground'.

Some general things that everybody should know:

1. Japan is in general more conservative in dress code than inner circle English speaking nations.
2. JETs and ALTs in general are treated as lamb, not mutton for the simple reason that most of them ***ARE***.

SaganWasHere wrote:
If you're running around all day with elementary school students who don't have a dress code, it's a bit strange to have people coming in with suit and ties and skirts and stockings, and even more strange when no one else besides you is dressed up that much.


This is what I was replying to. Posting that that's not your situation is not really saying a whole lot. Nobody said that that's the situation for ALL people.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right, ESID.

I wear business casual, never a tie (except for graduation and openning ceremony), and am in line with the majority of the teachers at my high school. There are a few very sharp dressers, but I think that is just their choice. I keep my hair short because it is comfortable to me. I have seen both kyoto and kocho in track suits. I have seen many Japanese who seem to take great pride in their appearance but apparently not in their jobs. I work with a JTE (male) who has shoulder-length hair, and usually wears a suit and tie. I am a JET ALT (not a lamb) who is treated as an equal in my department. Granted, I have a bit more "life experience" than many JET ALTs.

ESID.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's something you might be interested in knowing...
While dispatch companies (eg Interac) tell people to wear business attire, in many cases the schools will tell the ALT just to dress casually. I'm still in my stockings and shirts (and it's getting HOT here) but some of my friends dress very casually, especially for ES and Kindergarten. Just don't tell your dispatch company and it's fine.... but wait until someone tells you it's OK, first. Once you're working at your schools, you'll rarely hear from Interac anyway. BUT - keep a spare suit somewhere in the school. All the teachers have them sneakily stashed away for those impromtu inspections, you don't want to be caught short.

Re: the hair. I know many people who won't cut their hair for a job, be it due to pride, religion, culture, or a sense of identity. That's fair enough but you have to decide whether that's more important to you than a job. You can't expect them to make an exception for you. I can't think of any teachers here with long hair (guys, I mean), although I do know some men here with others jobs who have long hair. It might be possible but you'd have to really wow them with everything else, so that they think you're worth hiring over everybody else, I guess?
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Long hair is so yesterday.
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flyer



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweetsee wrote:
Long hair is so yesterday.


LOL, that is so funny, it cracked me up

but, you are actually right, its so 70's (80's)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ride on, Flyer! I'm glad you dug that! It's so true though, isn't it? Speaking of which, my students were telling me how much they loved one of the J-soccer team players. I think you know which one. I told the missus and she said, "Eeeew, that hair is so awful! It's just the worst when J-guys have hair like that!"
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S
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flyer



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, we are on the same wave length!

I totally agree! 100%!, it was ridiculous

some were in a total time warp!

Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say many are rather than many were. I see the construction types all the time and just have to crack up.

Also, dig your avatar, Flyer! Those guys rule. Got all their stuff!


Enjoy,
S
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweetsee wrote:
I'd say many are rather than many were. I see the construction types all the time and just have to crack up.

Also, dig your avatar, Flyer! Those guys rule. Got all their stuff!


Enjoy,
S

yes, same here
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mspxlation



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The question is, what do you want more? A job in Japan or long hair?

Japan is what it is. It will not change just because you want it to.

Case in point--

I'm not a teacher, but a translator, and on one autumn trip to Japan, the weather was so unseasonably hot and humid that my feet swelled up, and the dress pumps that I had bought for meetings with clients were agonizing to wear.

Fortunately for my ability to walk, I happened upon a sale of European sandals, and unlike the U.S., where it's always the small sizes on clearance, this Japanese store had the large sizes available.

Now these were definitely dressy but understated sandals, not flip-flops. They would have been acceptable business wear in most U.S. companies.

Yet when I went to my next client meeting wearing these sandals (and they were the reason I was able to walk at all), I overheard two of the employees there whisper disapprovingly to each other, "Wearing open-toed shoes to meet clients?"

I'm way past student age, and the rigidity of Japanese society bugs me at times, too, but it doesn't do any good to fight the small stuff. If I ever take another business-oriented trip in hot and humid weather (I try to avoid it), I'll take a pair of closed-toed shoes that is one size too large. It's a lot less stressful than futile complaining.

If you go around with this "I gotta be me!" attitude, you will not do well in Japan.
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Okonomiyaki



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:00 pm    Post subject: The "why" of it Reply with quote

Japan is a culture that has strong magnetism toward the center. What I mean is, there's incredible pressure to conform, and complaining, unusual dress, or standing out in any other way that promotes your individualism is considered immature.

This is so very different from the West's hero-and-rugged-individualist ideal that it's hard for Westerners to adjust to Japan's "team spirit" mentality.

Hence, one doesn't ask "why?", and endures silly workplace and school uniforms amongst other things.

The big exception to this rule is the people who already feel they're on the fringe of Japanese society, so they simply rebel MORE. These folks would be the bosozoku (teen gangs), yakuza (mafia), and artistic types.

As a "gaijin" (literally "outsider"), each foreigner is automatically considered a part of the lunatic fringe, so we can "get away with" quite a lot of non-mainstream behavior without losing our jobs and friends. There are limits, though!

Remember that Japan is a culture of manga (cartoon novels) and even TV is designed to be simple, straightforward role playing. Hence, visual cues and strong role types are commonplace and difficult to erase. Hence, a man with facial hair or a tattoo or a rough, shaggy appearance is sure to be associated with bosozoku and yakuza, not with serious and safe teachers.

Let's not forget that as big hairy foreigners, we Western men already look a big gorilla-thug-weird-ish, so we have to battle back from less than zero....or simply accept our role as "outsiders" akin to thuggish gorillas.

That having been said, there are exceptions. If a man has long hair kept VERY neatly, it might be acceptable, but certainly not commonplace.
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