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Iamherebecause
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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Actually they aren't targetting people with new contracts - I know people who have been here one year and others who have been here 11 years who are reassigned. And all stops in between. Nor do they seem to be looking at skills: key people from ESP are being reassigned as are quite a number of the IELTS examiners - don't know how they will manage all the exams next year. Some are hard-working stroppy types and others hard-working
under-the-radar types.
I can't discern any method in the madness. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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Iamherebecause wrote: |
I can't discern any method in the madness. |
Yes... if we look for logic or method, we will only frustrate ourselves.
But... I wasn't referring to how long they had been at UAEU, but how long they had to run on their current contract. I know... I shouldn't think logically, but it would make sense NOT to transfer someone with only one year left on their contract.
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merry_prankster
Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Posts: 27
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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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I know of some people who had just signed a new three-year contract that were sent and of others who had only one year to go. Also, some had successfully kept their heads down over the years while others may have been more outspoken. Likewise, some were former HCT employees and others had never worked there. No real ryhme or reason...just the fact that they were single/couples without children apparently.
What will be strange now is how much of this plan actually goes into place during the next year or two. There are so many variables. RAK, for example, was pulled off the table at the last minute. Who is to say the Sheikh won't say no again next year. What also of the serious wasta in AD and Dubai? If they don't want to send their kids (who were accepted into UAEU) to HCT, it isn't going to happen. In addition, what of the HCT campuses that have no facilities to deal with the influx (e.g. Al Ain Women's College)? Suppsedly, one plan is to rent out the old UAEU men's campus to HCT so they can deal with the extra couple of thousand female students. Moreover, is the provost sincerely truthful when he says no contracts will be renewed (I'm told ESP will remain in some form or another) and no more help will be offered to current UGRU employees in transferring to HCT? Alternatively, wil they re-neg and force people to stay or to transfer to HCT...nobody knows? Lastly, and perhpas most importantly, what happens when the students don't get their IELTS 5-5.5 in one year of this new curriculum at HCT and can't come study in their national university? Is the provost serious when he suggests they can fill the empty slots with high-acheiving Indians, Jordanians, Egyptians and other nationalities? Lots of ramifications and possibilities if you ask me! |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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All issues that we have brought up here. But we also all know that planning isn't their strong suit. There is nothing wrong with the idea of moving foundations around the country rather than housing all of these students in Al-Ain... it is very sensible actually. But this is a project that requires years of planning, construction and re-organization. Any person of normal intelligence can see that it can't be done... immediately or in a year or two. New facilities for this many students even when they are now living at home requires facilities... which requires bids and construction... 3-5 years of transition at least. This would be required at a minimum of 8 of the HCT facilities.
Or is it going to be acres of portable classrooms for years?
TESOLArabia is going to be a nightmare next spring.
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Suede Oasis
Joined: 03 Jun 2010 Posts: 12 Location: Under the Floorboards
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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, the potential for bucketfuls of shadenfreude-inspired entertainment here is immense. This is surely going to be one of HCT's most spectacular cock-ups. Hopefully, it will be the one that sends the Vice-Chancellor, TK, into his well-deserved and long overdue exile - or retirement.
Incidentally, I'm putting together a blog about HCT and all its mistreatment of teachers, its awful managers, and its overall general nastiness. Please PM me your stories of woe and pain, whichever college you are working at! |
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Middle East Beast

Joined: 05 Mar 2008 Posts: 836 Location: Up a tree
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:35 am Post subject: |
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Suede Oasis wrote: |
Oh, the potential for bucketfuls of shadenfreude-inspired entertainment here is immense. This is surely going to be one of HCT's most spectacular cock-ups. Hopefully, it will be the one that sends the Vice-Chancellor, TK, into his well-deserved and long overdue exile - or retirement.
Incidentally, I'm putting together a blog about HCT and all its mistreatment of teachers, its awful managers, and its overall general nastiness. Please PM me your stories of woe and pain, whichever college you are working at! |
I just tried to access the blog from your profile page and I got a window stating that it has been deleted. |
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Iamherebecause
Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 427 Location: . . . such quantities of sand . . .
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:17 am Post subject: |
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Suppsedly, one plan is to rent out the old UAEU men's campus to HCT so they can deal with the extra couple of thousand female students. |
I hadn't heard this one before - do you mean the Islamic Institute building? This must be an idea suggested by the culturally inept provost. Does he not realise that there isn't a secure perimeter wall? Some of the female students' parents would be far more worried about that than about the chaos surrounding their daughters' education. The girls might nip out the side - or the other side - or the front - and get a taxi to one of the malls! |
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merry_prankster
Joined: 25 Mar 2010 Posts: 27
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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Iamherebecause wrote: |
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Suppsedly, one plan is to rent out the old UAEU men's campus to HCT so they can deal with the extra couple of thousand female students. |
I hadn't heard this one before - do you mean the Islamic Institute building? This must be an idea suggested by the culturally inept provost. Does he not realise that there isn't a secure perimeter wall? Some of the female students' parents would be far more worried about that than about the chaos surrounding their daughters' education. The girls might nip out the side - or the other side - or the front - and get a taxi to one of the malls! |
Yep. The Islamic Institute is the location I was told where the females would have to go (there is adequate space for the men at Al Ain HCT). Heard that one from several people (including Emirati administrators). What was stressed was that it was the only real option in case this plan is ludicrously forced through in a year or so.
On a side note, one of the 4th floor guys the other day claimed that this whole debacle was the result of the higher ed Sheikh insisting that they get rid of foundations at UAEU asap in addition to a continuation of a standstill in higher-ed funding (the boys in power don't want to fork out any more cash to UAEU etc). This viewpoint was also confirmed by a few coordinators. Not sure who to believe at this point. My guess is it was cooked up by the provost, his lackeys and the Minister of higher Ed (Sheikh Nahyan) as a way to cut costs, reduce staff numbers, get rid of a big-ole 'elephant in the room' (UGRU) and start shifting foundations to the Sheikhs's little baby: HCT. In some ways it sort of makes sense, but the time-frame is ridiculous. On the other hand, I would also point out that many top 500 ranked universities (those are the real rankings and not the bogus ones the provost uses) do have long-standing foundations programs so the whole research university / accreditation argument is bs! It is, in my estimation, something much deeper or even political. |
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merry_prankster
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celticbutterfly
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Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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Very interesting pdf. I wonder if anyone has told the HCT's this...
The new 2-year foundations program at HCT is looking like a 150lb turkey, from all accounts. Nobody is looking forward to teaching it as it will be basically rote learning by textbook, and the planners have hopelessly over-estimated the learning ability of most Emirati students. It MIGHT get some of the higher-level students to the IELTS 5.5 required for university, but the majority of inbreds starting at level 1 will have no hope in Hades of finishing. This will actually do more harm than good, as all the failures could have been siphoned off into Diploma programs at HCT to give them at least something useful to do. These programs are being discontinued, so there will be nothing for the girls, especially, to do except return home to vegetate.
I would say the mass failures that will start appearing come the end of the first year of the new program will cause ire in the higher echelons of power and a complete re-think of the whole system. One hopes. UGRU could once again rise from the ashes? |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:53 am Post subject: |
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celticbutterfly wrote: |
the planners have hopelessly over-estimated the learning ability of most Emirati students. It MIGHT get some of the higher-level students to the IELTS 5.5 required for university, but the majority of inbreds starting at level 1 will have no hope in Hades of finishing. This will actually do more harm than good, as all the failures could have been siphoned off into Diploma programs at HCT to give them at least something useful to do. |
I don't believe that there is anyone at HCT or UAEU who isn't completely aware of the low levels out there. Even back in the mid-90s when I was at HCT we always ended up with a handful of zero level beginners who mostly failed out quickly and usually at least one group of incomers that never made the grade. You may not be aware that the "CERT" program at HCT was originally started to siphon on the dregs of UGRU who had been there for 5 or more years and would never hit the required numbers to get to content courses. It was supposed to be a work training program for the non-Academics. Naturally there weren't many Emiratis that were interested in being trained to be clerks, so eventually CERT morphed into an outreach program or whatever it is these days. And their number reformed in UGRU.
Yup... problems will appear in a couple years when there are still those students who will never make the grade. But I doubt that re-formulating the UGRU program will be the answer then either. The answer is that some of these kids will never be academics... are unlikely to ever enter the work force anyway... so sending them home is the answer. And, I expect that is the goal: To end Zayed's unrealistic promise that every Emirati would get a free education through university.
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bje
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Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2010 5:17 am Post subject: |
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celticbutterfly wrote: |
the planners have hopelessly over-estimated the learning ability of most Emirati students. It MIGHT get some of the higher-level students to the IELTS 5.5 required for university, but the majority of inbreds starting at level 1 will have no hope in Hades of finishing. This will actually do more harm than good, as all the failures could have been siphoned off into Diploma programs at HCT to give them at least something useful to do. |
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I don't believe that there is anyone at HCT or UAEU who isn't completely aware of the low levels out there. |
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Yup... problems will appear in a couple years when there are still those students who will never make the grade. But I doubt that re-formulating the UGRU program will be the answer then either. The answer is that some of these kids will never be academics... are unlikely to ever enter the work force anyway... so sending them home is the answer. And, I expect that is the goal: To end Zayed's unrealistic promise that every Emirati would get a free education through university.VS |
I think your final sentence is the crux of the matter, and that this is precisely what is being done here. |
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merry_prankster
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Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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It is not that the language support has disappeared. It has just moved to a different set of government colleges... and keeps the students living at home rather than having to house and feed them all in Al-Ain.
There is nothing wrong with the idea... the problem is in its implementation.
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merry_prankster
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Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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True to an extent, but wouldn't you agree that the language support being offered at UGRU would have prepared the students to handle the courses they would take at UAEU better than a hastily-designed 1-year intensive program at HCT.
I would also point out that WH additionally wants to get rid of UGRU's ESP program (although many locals in admin think it will stay) as he thinks there should be no need for any language support in any shape or form. This was stated at his meeting to announce the closure of UGRU. According to his vision, there will be no UGRU and/or language support at the university whatsoever and he and his partner in crime have typically boasted of its unimportance and irrelevance in a research university on a number of occasions.
Anyway, just pointing out some 'food for thought'. Doesn't really matter to me much at this point. Its their country. They can reinvent the wheel as many times as they like. As far as I'm concerned I've been given a year's notice and then I'll be movin on. That is a great situation to be in considering the way things sometimes shake out in this part of the world. |
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