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MrTPitysu
Joined: 02 Jun 2010
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 Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:11 pm Post subject: Two Questions |
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Thank you in advance for the help!
Question 1: What are the best countries to teach in that I can jump right into (i.e. fast visa process)?
I hear China is quick but I also hear that being taken advantage of by employers is more common. I am afraid of going somewhere where I may have a poor employer and I don't have much time to fact-check each employer I apply to.
The reason I want a position quickly is because I will be applying for some embassy/government run positions such as JET soon. They are generally 7-12 month application processes and start around August/October so I'd like a 1 year contract so I can work during that application process (meaning it should be starting ASAP).
Question 2: When applying to a job, should I send a resume and a CV? Should I always send a CV no matter what? What about a resume?
Thank you again for the help! |
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MrTPitysu
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| I forgot to mention that I am American so no Western European countries since I can't legally work there. |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 10:53 pm Post subject: Re: Two Questions |
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| MrTPitysu wrote: |
| Question 1: What are the best countries to teach in that I can jump right into (i.e. fast visa process)? |
Have you even glanced at this thread with a title similar to your question?
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=82320
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| The reason I want a position quickly is because I will be applying for some embassy/government run positions such as JET soon. They are generally 7-12 month application processes and start around August/October so I'd like a 1 year contract so I can work during that application process (meaning it should be starting ASAP). |
You seem to want a job tomorrow, since JET sends its successful candidates to Japan in July/August (not October). I don't think you're going to find such an opportunity. There is also no guarantee you'll get the JET job, either.
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| Question 2: When applying to a job, should I send a resume and a CV? Should I always send a CV no matter what? What about a resume? |
Let's get some definitions straight here.
A resume and a CV can actually be the same thing. It depends on the country, sometimes. We Americans often use either term for the same piece of paper. Technically speaking, though, a CV is often used to mean a far lengthier piece of documentation that covers in greater detail your employment history. In my experience it is usually requested only for very senior types (profs, company presidents, etc.).
What did you mean?
Basically, any employer will want to see a resume plus a cover letter. It may depend on whether they have an online application process where you only get to send in a resume according to the boxes of information they provide. |
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denise
Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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Location: finally home-ish
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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The length of time it takes to get a visa may or may not affect start dates. There are schools that need teachers ASAP that will get the paperwork going once you've started. It's common (at least in my own experience) to arrive on a temporary/tourist visa and have the school sort out the visa after you start.
And if you plan on being abroad while you are applying to other programs, make sure you know what documents you will need for the application process. Have copies of degrees, transcripts, letters, etc. with you or easily available.
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MrTPitysu
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| Have you even glanced at this thread with a title similar to your question? |
Yes, I have, but wasn't satisfied with the responses so I was hoping that I would try for responses from other people.
Also, I forgot to clarify in my post that I do not have the means to travel to a country and look for a job after I get there. I cannot count on luck while lacking so much in money.
I don't hope to work illegally or with a questionable employer so I am just looking for any suggestions in countries which may have less of that.
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| You seem to want a job tomorrow, since JET sends its successful candidates to Japan in July/August (not October). |
Sorry for the confusion but I was just generalizing the starting dates for all of those types of programs I looked into. And my point was that if I did happen to get one of those positions, it would be at least a year and a month from now. This is why I'm hoping for a job until then.
But thanks for the info on the CV! Good to know.
And thank you for the response denise, I hadn't even thought of that. |
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TeresaLopez
Joined: 18 Apr 2010
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Location: Mexico City
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| You also might want to mention what experience/training you have, that will also make a difference. If you have a degree in education you might get a job in Mexico beforehand, otherwise for a language institute, you really need to be in Mexico. But, if you are a native speaker, you can have a job within days at once of many, many language schools here in Mexico City. If you do have a degree in education, or a degree plus a TESL, plus experience, you might try Global ERS, they do SOME placement from out of country. There is no fee to teachers. |
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scrog_420
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Location: State of Jefferson
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| I've always thought a resume and c.v. were the same thing--just a difference in US and UK terminology. I've applied for dozens and dozens of overseas jobs over the years and sent what I consider to be and refer to as a resume and not once was I ever asked to send a c.v. instead. |
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tttompatz
Joined: 06 Mar 2010
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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| MrTPitysu wrote: |
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| Have you even glanced at this thread with a title similar to your question? |
Yes, I have, but wasn't satisfied with the responses so I was hoping that I would try for responses from other people.
Also, I forgot to clarify in my post that I do not have the means to travel to a country and look for a job after I get there. I cannot count on luck while lacking so much in money.
I don't hope to work illegally or with a questionable employer so I am just looking for any suggestions in countries which may have less of that.
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| You seem to want a job tomorrow, since JET sends its successful candidates to Japan in July/August (not October). |
Sorry for the confusion but I was just generalizing the starting dates for all of those types of programs I looked into. And my point was that if I did happen to get one of those positions, it would be at least a year and a month from now. This is why I'm hoping for a job until then.
But thanks for the info on the CV! Good to know.
And thank you for the response denise, I hadn't even thought of that. |
bottom line:
Assuming you have:
A bachelors degree
Clean criminal background check
documents in hand (degree, CBC, and university transcripts)
you CAN get a job in Korea ASAP with prepaid airfare and rent free housing.
Register for and sign onto the Korean jobs board
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea for full details.
Otherwise you will need to have a minimum of a couple thousand dollars to get you started. (things like airfare, rent, food until payday, etc).
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
Posts: 2021
Location: Japan
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 4:52 am Post subject: Re: Two Questions |
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| MrTPitysu wrote: |
Thank you in advance for the help!
Question 1: What are the best countries to teach in that I can jump right into (i.e. fast visa process)?
I hear China is quick but I also hear that being taken advantage of by employers is more common. I am afraid of going somewhere where I may have a poor employer and I don't have much time to fact-check each employer I apply to.
The reason I want a position quickly is because I will be applying for some embassy/government run positions such as JET soon. They are generally 7-12 month application processes and start around August/October so I'd like a 1 year contract so I can work during that application process (meaning it should be starting ASAP).
Question 2: When applying to a job, should I send a resume and a CV? Should I always send a CV no matter what? What about a resume?
Thank you again for the help! |
Honestly, your best bet is to pick a developing country, go there, and look for a job. That's apparently the normal method for getting newbie jobs in Southeast Asia (and other posters have mentioned Mexico, possibly South America as well- especially if you speak Spanish, or Portuguese for Brazil, I guess). Doesn't mean that you won't get screwed over. Doesn't mean that it isn't a bit of a risk, either. But there you go! If you feel like you need a job IMMEDIATELY, then you might want to post on the Thailand forum and ask there. They will probably tell you to hop on a plane, bringing a suit, long sleeve shirts, a bunch of resumes, your ACTUAL university degree, and enough cash to tied you over while staying in some hotel in Bangkok. Then you scour the newspaper looking for jobs, and basically just walk into the language school (in your suit, with resume and degree in-hand) and say you want to work. If they hire you, they'll do the visa stuff. In fact, if you google it, I remember somebody has a blog or something explaining an actual method for landing a job in Thailand within a few weeks- if I remember correctly he was pretty clear that it will likely not be a stellar job, but it's a start!
Have you looked at what's on the JET application form, though? It's not just a TESL certificate and experience teaching overseas (in fact, the "We Japanese are diff-er-ent!" is so prevalent that a lot of people don't actually consider teaching in other countries relevant experience at all, other than being nice because you are able to tell them about other countries first hand). IME a lot of JETs ***DO*** have a lot of overseas experience- in the form of tours of Europe, Asia, Oceania etc bought and paid for with Daddy's Dollars. (ETA And that's really the kind of thing they are interested in anyway- fairly glib superficial little bits of information and pictures rather than a deep understanding of a third culture [unless that third culture is the US or the UK] from actually knowing people really very well from the country.)
Glenski is right about the difference between a CV and a resume. However, to add to that, one of the things that is studied in intercultural communications courses is the differences in resumes. Some countries require an awful lot of information. Some require very little. In some, they are a formality because the actual job is obtained by way of introduction. |
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