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BRK55305 · Joined: 24 Apr 2010 Posts: 3 Location: Minneapolis, MN

I've been offered a position at King Saud University in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. The position and school sounds legitimate but I can't find anything out about the company. Their "agreement/contract" is between you and the International Co. for Education and E-Learning, not between you and the school and no where on the contract does it name the University. So, there are red flags.
Anyone know anything about this compoany? Is it legitimate?
Thanks!

freesoul · Posted: Sun May 30, 2010 9:32 pm Post subject:

An "E-learning" company without a website is more than a red flag. What kind of E-abra Kadabra learning they do!!!!

South Londoner · Joined: 26 May 2010 Posts: 9

Why is it that nobody has any info on this recruiter.

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

It could be a scam. Send me US$500 and I will check for you.

007 · Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 3:58 pm Post subject:

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

Yes. Two negatives make a positive. Everyone knows that !

South Londoner · Joined: 26 May 2010 Posts: 9

SaudiJobSeeker · Joined: 10 Jun 2010 Posts: 6 Location: Houston, Texas

I interviewed with them last week and asked them what type of visa is being sponsored. he told me it is a work visa. I was told that they would get back to me with contract details in a few weeks. They have not contacted me yet.

jewsareokwithme · Joined: 13 Jul 2010 Posts: 3

Avoid this company like the plague!

You will not get a legitimate working visa for months after arrival.

The company is managed by amateur Saudi "businessmen":
your values are worthless + no communication + no trust + shady contract = unpleasant experience.

Working for this company means you will be working at King Saud University alongside Bell employees. Read all the Bell/KSU posts for more information on this working environment.

The lack of ink in the contract explains it all. The less the contract says, the less you can expect from a company.

diced260 · Joined: 24 Feb 2009 Posts: 80

I work for ICEEL. I don't know anyone who has not had their contract honored. Pay is invariably early/on time. Other things tend to be on the Saudi time frame, if you know what I mean.

Was I working "illegally" when I arrived? Yes, but only if you are naive enough to apply western ideals regarding the rule of law to Saudi Arabia, as many do. Did the police care that I was "illegal" when they regularly stopped me for doing 170 in a 120? Not one bit. (By law I should've gone to jail, for excessive speed, not to mention my visa status or the fact that I didn't have a drivers license of any kind, but instead I was told to slow down and carry on.) Did the employer that ICEEL has the contract with care that I was "illegal" and had to leave the country for a few days on a visa run? Not one bit. Was I able to handle my business? Yes.

People concerned with the "legality" of this or that should get out of their home country a bit more and/or use their noodles for something more than grammar/spelling checks. There's a different standard here, namely Allah's Will.

ummkhadija · Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:32 pm Post subject:

Dear, diced260

diced260 · Joined: 24 Feb 2009 Posts: 80

UmmKhadija,

Actually, it is compulsory for Muslims to obey the laws of the land insofar as they do not contradict Islam. What I meant to suggest was that many, or most, misunderstandings (to include interpretations and enforcement of laws and what weight they shall hold) between Saudis and the non-Muslims here could be explained by accounting for the Saudi mindset that Allah is running the show.

The only reason, however, that I said anything was because I felt that �jewsareok� had misrepresented ICEEL. Seriously, I haven't heard an extraordinary complaint yet. Will there be the occasional, or frequent, surprise? Yes. But this is Saudi and that's part of the adventure. Will the company deliberately do you wrong? No. But if you �have it coming� that's a different story. And even then, I'd say they've been more than fair with those they've had to deport...

Salaam.

desert_traveller · Joined: 28 Nov 2006 Posts: 335

superfly snuka · Joined: 18 Jul 2010 Posts: 20

Some like it , some hate it. i agree that being 'illegal' isnt a big deal there. I was illegal for a couple of months , working while on an exit visa. because i got fired by king saud(I was with bell) ICEEL wouldnt take me on even to work at another site. I have a friend going to work with ICEEL and they could send you to a number of locations around saudi. It allows you some freedom to transfer if the place youre at sucks. The ICEEL employees at King saud were living on a nice compound with a pool in the heart of the city very close to the university so that was a bonus.

go for it as along as they don't ask you for money. the visa cost might be expensive though.

they do have a website now btw.

zorro2428 · Joined: 25 Dec 2009 Posts: 6

www.iceel.us