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dispatching teachers to universities illegal, April 2008
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EFLpursuits



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I apologize for bumping an older thread. I felt it better to bump this one (with the original information and debate) rather than create a new one.

I'm very interested if the law has changed since Glenski's post.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To my knowledge, no, it has not changed. Anyone?
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EFLpursuits



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for your reply, Glenski.

What you wrote in 2008 was very important news.

I can't find anything on legal changes regarding dispatch companies sending teachers to universities. I second you..."anyone?"
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2010 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the only thing that has changed is the labels these companies try to use. The bad benefits and conditions they try to enforce haven't changed.

The unis themselves still seem to want to use 'dispatchers' in some situations, so they go along with the 'status' change. It's similar with the 15 classes per semester rule that Monkasho has handed down, where exam period sessions are sometimes counted as classes (and so are classes that are never scheduled, but could have been).
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this why westgate jobs only last a few months? To get around this law?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having a 3-month contract that is non-consecutive would be one way to avoid the law that says they must become permanent employees after 3 years of work there. I believe sometimes Westgate has consecutive contracts, but their web site says only when the client asks for it.

Another reason they choose dispatch is to save money, so they think, and because MEXT looks the other way.
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EFLpursuits



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is MEXT looking the other way? I'm curious.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2010 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hard to say, but a lot of things in Japan skirt the letter of the law, like even some government unis not paying for uni vacation periods even though the law says that they must for government contracts.

Often, unless someone high up enough complains, very little gets changed quickly here. It's more a matter of when something chafes enough to bother to try and fix it, they'll have discussions and wait until a decision in some cases is forced upon them.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you got in as a bona fide faculty member at a university in Japan back in the 1990s or earlier, working at a Japanese university nowadays, at most schools, sucks.

The contracts are all short-term and schools recycle their instructors every 1 - 4 years.

Sure, there are some tenure-like, permanent positions around but they are few.

Universities in Korea and Taiwan, at least some, are starting to head down the same road with similar contracts but not quite to the extent that many Japanese universities have.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What does that have to do with ALT dispatch?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe Shimokitazawa is trying to point to a reason why dispatch companies and their contractors might be more prevalent now.

Certainly the trend that he is talking about with permanent full time posts disappearing or gradually becoming quite difficult to get has become commonplace, with even Japanese faculty being included.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EFLpursuits wrote:
Why is MEXT looking the other way? I'm curious.
I don't have an answer to that.

Here is a link to a letter MEXT sent out 5 years ago "through union pressure from the National Union of General Workers Tokyo South and the General Union", acknowledging that dispatch operations were illegal. Nothing has been done since this warning.
http://alt.150m.com/

Not all dispatch agencies are deemed illegal, mind you.

Read this English breakdown of that letter. Go to The Triangle section for starting point.
http://www.letsjapan.org/category/japan/alt
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EFLpursuits



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is something to be pursued by those who care about the quality of Japanese education.

Is it a "good thing" that dispatch companies send short term contracted teacher with dubious credentials to teach all the freshmen students of Japan?? Hmmm.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Having a 3-month contract that is non-consecutive would be one way to avoid the law that says they must become permanent employees after 3 years of work there.

What law is this?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fujisan wrote:
Glenski wrote:
Having a 3-month contract that is non-consecutive would be one way to avoid the law that says they must become permanent employees after 3 years of work there.

What law is this?
Dispatch law.

Length of Employment
# For the most part dispatch work is limited to up to one year, though certain special conditions may be applied to extend this term for up to three years. After the period of allotted dispatch time is up, the company then must either offer the temporary worker permanent employment or terminate the contract. In most cases, the company chooses to terminate the contract. Recently the government has tried to be seen as cracking down on companies which do not offer permanent employment to long-term temporary workers.
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