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Master
Joined: 27 Jul 2010 Posts: 8
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:06 am Post subject: |
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spiral78 wrote: |
Myth 1: Why does this myth persist that 'hot girls' are just going to fall over for some guy with very few quals who just happens to be a native English speaker?
It's simply not true.
Myth 2: unqualified and inexperienced 'teachers' can make tonnes of money ANYWHERE.
Shabby old fairytales. |
ooh I see. Its easy for you to bring the barrier of bad news but not for you to actually say something helpful. |
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johntpartee
Joined: 02 Mar 2010 Posts: 3258
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Master, I asked this in an earlier post; I don't mean to be insulting, but I am curious. Is English your second language? |
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Master
Joined: 27 Jul 2010 Posts: 8
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:23 am Post subject: |
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Sashadroogie wrote: |
The myths persist because shabby old EFL course providers and local language schools insidiously promote it. How else could you convince anyone but the most stupid to come over to Foreignland, work for peanuts, 12 hours a day, live in a leaky box beside the local toxic plant, all while being an illegal immigrant?
A touch harsh? Have a look at BKC-IH's own website. Count how many brothels are listed
http://www.unbound.ru/2c/experience.html |
I read the article. Very refreshing and quite good. I had a good time reading it. Thanks. The best parts were him describing teaching and the bad parts of the country such as the police abuse.
You say they insidiously promote it but several people seem to somewhat like it even if its not long term and what else would be a good job to get in such a place then? Is it really as bad as you described it? What place were you talking about? |
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Master
Joined: 27 Jul 2010 Posts: 8
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:28 am Post subject: |
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johntpartee wrote: |
I don't really think the OP is serious, now that I read it again. If he is, well....but I think he just wanted to see what responses he would get. I mean, look at it, he doesn't like going to school but wants to teach in a school, considered doing it illegally (BUT THAT MIGHT BE BAD!), looking for women....... |
Depends your definition of serious. Because i post here doesnt mean I'm going to hand my life over to you but I am seriously researching.
I wouldnt mind teaching English to people that doesnt mean that I have to like being in a classroom learning subjects that I have no interest in being around people that I have no interested in.
I ask if doing it illegally is good? Listen, I have heard several people make it seem easy and probably better to do it illegally because you save and I'm just asking about it. That doesnt mean I'm going to do it.
and whats wrong with looking for women? is that out of equation? |
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Master
Joined: 27 Jul 2010 Posts: 8
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:32 am Post subject: |
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Sashadroogie wrote: |
Yip, probably just trolling. But sadly, I have met similar types like that prowling around Moscow, in the flesh, so to speak. Perhaps after the collapse predators would have had local hotties falling at their feet, but not these days. Have seen lots of disappointed players sent packing, tail between legs. Just trying to help out another poster and stave off feelings of loss and rejection etc. |
Not trolling. I hate that stupid idea. I dont know why they keep saying that. Cause of my grammar and lack of knowledge?
I think people have said Moscow is not that best place to be. Its best to go to the small towns.
Its fine help away giving insight is always helpful and welcomed. I thought in Russia women were more receptive to dating. Im not saying women would jump at you just for walking down the block but arent they known to be very open and friendly? |
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Master
Joined: 27 Jul 2010 Posts: 8
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:33 am Post subject: |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
But, ya gotta admit, he hooked himself a whole stringer of Large Mouth Bass...
NCTBA |
Dont really know what you meant. |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 11:42 am Post subject: |
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Dear Master
May I recommend a nice small Russian town just inside the Arctic circle. There are quite a few of them. Any one of them will be just perfect for what you need.
Sasha |
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AGoodStory
Joined: 26 Feb 2010 Posts: 738
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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Master wrote: |
I like idea of learning but being a teacher is teaching mostly not learning. |
Teaching without learning. . . interesting concept. |
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johntpartee
Joined: 02 Mar 2010 Posts: 3258
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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Teaching without learning. . . interesting concept. |
It CAN be done, though, if you try hard enough. |
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Sashadroogie

Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 11061 Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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Reminds me of the Russian anecdote about the bumpkin student who tries to enrol as a literature student in the most prestigious university in Moscow. The assessors ask him what he thinks of Tolstoy?
"Never heard of him", he replies.
"Dostoyevsky?"
"Who?
"Chekov?"
"Who that?"
"Surely Pushkin!?
"Don't know him from Adam."
"How on Earth can you expect to enrol as a student of literature when you haven't even read our great classics!"
"Me wanna be great writer, not reader." |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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ooh I see. Its easy for you to bring the barrier of bad news but not for you to actually say something helpful.
Ok, let's see how I can help. I've been living/teaching (and training and hiring teachers) in the Eurozone since 1998. You'd be tough to figure out where to place. Here are the issues:
The major market for newbie level teachers in this region is business English. This means the teacher goes to businesses (and may have a few classes based at a school, made up of businesspeople) and works with small groups and some individuals.
Consider who are the students:
range from secretaries to upper level management
adults
vast majority have university degrees
businesspeople and the business culture here tends to be more formal in general than in North America: social boundaries are more important here, and 'warming up' to a new teacher can take a very long time.
Now, here is the 'Master' as a job candidate:
No university qualifications
Written English demonstrates quite a few errors
Candidate states that he has no interest in upper education himself
Candidate indicates strong interest in seeking women
Hmmmm. What am I going to do with such a candidate? How can I present a possible teacher with less education than his prospective students? Considering his lack of knowledge of grammatical structures in English and errors in writing (writing is normally better than speaking in terms of accuracy), I can obviously only consider him teaching students with a low level of English. And as it's considered generally unprofessional to see female students as potential dates, I also have to consider not assigning this teacher to any class with young, eligible women in it.
You're a difficult candidate to place in the Eurozone, I think. Hope that's helpful - it is truly meant to be realistic. Moving abroad is a big step, and it's seriously important to have a realistic view of what you are facing.
I truly don't think the experience will be what you seem to expect. European women (from Netherlands and Germany to the Czech Rep, Poland, and points East) don't see English speakers as magnets - in the past decades, it was a common misconception in Central/Eastern Europe that guys from North America and the UK are all well-off and good catches. There have been too many disappointments - girls are far better educated about the economic standard of English teachers to fall over themselves to date one these days.
Employers and students in the Central/Eastern Euro region also aren't naive enough anymore to think that just because the guy is a native English speaker, he's going to be a good teacher/employee. It takes more: some genuine interest in the job, some related qualifications (a good 30-day on-site cert at minimum), and, lacking a university degree, a VERY professional appearance and approach to the work if you hope to land something.
Perhaps you can make it work somehow, but I think you'll need to significantly change your expectations and approach to the thing first. |
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TeresaLopez

Joined: 18 Apr 2010 Posts: 601 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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Master wrote: |
ooh I see. Its easy for you to bring the barrier of bad news but not for you to actually say something helpful. |
Well, for starters YOU might want to learn proper English...........I'd say THAT would be pretty helpful if you want to TEACH it. |
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johntpartee
Joined: 02 Mar 2010 Posts: 3258
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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Master, I gotta ask you: Is this for real? |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Master wrote: |
Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
But, ya gotta admit, he hooked himself a whole stringer of Large Mouth Bass...
NCTBA |
Dont really know what you meant. |
Yer not fer real, troll. Yer all about keeping this conversation alive and nothing else...
NCTBA |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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C'mon NCTBA. It's kinda fun, in a twisted way  |
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