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G Cthulhu



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
kotoko wrote:
I am a 2nd year JET. I speak Japanese fairly well (JLPT 2) and have a degree in TESOL.
You are a rare JET ALT.


No, they aren't really. Japanese speaking and qualified is hardly unusual these days. At the two consulates where I was interviewing last year just under 40% of the people had teaching qualifications and slightly more than half had functional Japanese.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every JET I've personally met in Japan has been an abominable excuse for a human being with no knowledge of Japanese/Japanese culture and a self-entitled, snobby, frat boy attitude. Not really impressed, and couldn't care less if JET goes down the drain.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:21 am    Post subject: Former JET participant Reply with quote

I'm a former JET Program ALT. The year I came over, more than a decade ago, I along with my supervisor at an English language day school were placed in different towns. She and I were both experienced teachers of immigrants and visiting foreign students, and had trained as teachers in a respected TESOL program in our hometown.

Both of us left after the first year. I don't know exactly why she didn't continue. However, I can tell you that, while I found the experience of living in a rural Japanese town fascinating, and I gained language skills and had a lot of support from the family downstairs, the board of education and local groups, I was terribly underused and not stimulated by the experience of the Japanese junior high schools. The BoE rotated me between four junior high schools a for week at a time. It was hard to make relationships with the teachers because i could not participate in the whole school year at one site. Of the four schools I worked at, only one English department saw me as a resource and mentored me in teaching English to junior high school in the Japanese context.

The most valuable interaction with the kids was between lessons when I received a blizzard of notes and cards and letters written by the more motivated kids. They really wanted to communicate with me.

My former coworker and I were in our late 20s at the time, so we were considerably older than the students, and sometimes older than the JTEs, a situation different from the one reported by the students in the article.

JET could do a lot better with a mix of participants, I believe. If the only contact that junior high kids get with foreigners is through school, then simply bringing Japanese language majors from around the world for short stints as cultural ambassadors would be cheaper, more interesting, and bring young foreigners who have a specific interest in Japan.

If language learning were really valued, then the Ministry of Education would recruit the returning Japanese college graduates from abroad to serve as assistants in the schools.

If it were about improving English language pedagogy, then the Ministry would recruit language teachers (not recent college graduates) to serve as ALTs. And send Japanese teachers to Europe or Asia where school systems turn out graduates that use English effectively (like Finland, Sweden, Holland, Singapore, Korea).

But these kinds of measures aren't being used. The Ministry is locked into this ridiculous, expensive, irrational JET Program hangover from the bubble days.
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pls. don't suggest sending JTE's abroad to see how things are done effectively. Most of their egos are shaky enuf as it is...

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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote:
Pls. don't suggest sending JTE's abroad to see how things are done effectively. Most of their egos are shaky enuf as it is...
Personally, I think some of their egos are terribly inflated and need some shaking.

But what would you suggest if not this avenue?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

G Cthulhu wrote:
Japanese speaking and qualified is hardly unusual these days. At the two consulates where I was interviewing last year just under 40% of the people had teaching qualifications and slightly more than half had functional Japanese.
That's interesting. If you don't mind a couple of follow-up questions:

1. I thought you had written here a year or so ago that only about 10-15% of candidates actually had any teaching credentials. Did I misunderstand you, or have things changed that much in such a short time?

2. Where you interviewed may have had such a high percentage of such people. How about in general?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amarok: OK, we get it, i.e., you were rejected by JET and you're bitter. Boo hoo. Rolling Eyes Get over it.

EVERY JET you've met(two?three?)has been a sad sack of skin?! Must be a different JET Programme than the one I was on. Sure, the fact that JETs are treated like humans instead of cattle, as are most non-JET EFLers, is bound to cause resentment. And, yes, more than a few of the JETs I knew could fairly have been called snotnoses. Nonetheless, I met many JETs in my three yrs. on board, both snotty & non-snotty, that possessed impressive Japanese lang. skills and/or knowledge of Japanese culture, history, society, etc. Quite the contrast from the eikaiwa crew I worked with. Some were great people, some were jokes, but regardless, precious few had any "Japanese background" info./preparation.

TokyoLiz: I was under the impression JET has largely done away with the "one shot" JETs and now tend to have ALTs in base schools only, which I think is a good thing.

And Korea as a model for churning out more grads competent in English?! My dear, you've got to be kidding....
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kotoko



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not so good at putting my own things between quotes, so please excuse me Glenski.


In reply to me being "rare", I am the only ALT I know with ESL teaching qualifications, but I know many with teaching licenses from back home. As for Japanese language ability, in my small-ish city, there are a few dispatch ALTs who don't speak much Japanese, but I am far from having the best Japanese within the JETs here.

I do ask to do more than games. I've given up now though, I'm afraid. They'll let me teach classes by myself when the JTE is away (which I think is illegal). I put all my efforts into the baton twirling team now, which I teach whilst the clueless baton tanto sits marking her class's homework.

How to get JTEs to stick to what they are told? No idea. I'm just a gaijin fresh out of college last year. I think most of the problem is the exams, and how they teach to the exams. Get rid of multiple choice exams in English testing and the teaching style will change, I think.


razorhideki wrote:
kotoko: What do you mean by....?

1) "I hear from the new JETs...." This sentence doesn't really make sense.

2) "The upside of this...." You mean, it's a good thing for native speakers of English not to be exposed to Japanese students? Confused


1) It means that the new JETs came, I said "hey, how are the other newbies?" and they said "they have good Japanese and at least 80% have lived in Japan for at least a year before".

2) Sorry, downside. I was typing whilst doing a headstand. [/i]
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kotoko



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 4:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As for the "I don't like JETs" stuff, I must admit, I don't like many other JETs... people who have been here longer tend to be frat boys. The others are spotty otakus who are socially retarded or overly genki people who are great around Japanese kids but not around sane humans. JETs here tend to be very snobby towards anyone who isn't a JET, especially dispatch ALTs.

But don't paint us all with the same brush, some of us are ok Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 6:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amarok wrote:
Every JET I've personally met in Japan has been an abominable excuse for a human being with no knowledge of Japanese/Japanese culture and a self-entitled, snobby, frat boy attitude. Not really impressed, and couldn't care less if JET goes down the drain.

well, as you say, this is only your experience. I have met quite a few JETs in my time here and I have met a whole range, from the above stereo-type to JETs who speak good Japanese and take their teaching seriously.
I have also attended a lot of JET meetings (even though I am not a JET) and a lot of JETs complained that they wanted to do more, they felt they weren't being used to their potential. So I seriously doubt whether the above gerneralization is valid.
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Bread



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amarok wrote:
Every JET I've personally met in Japan has been an abominable excuse for a human being with no knowledge of Japanese/Japanese culture and a self-entitled, snobby, frat boy attitude. Not really impressed, and couldn't care less if JET goes down the drain.

This has been exactly my experience as well. And on top of that, most dispatch ALTs that I've met have been here for at least a year or two (meaning they have their own apartments, their own lives, are pretty much living as actual immigrants rather than exchange students on a "program"), speak passable Japanese, and come across as pretty friendly people. Can't speak for teaching skills since I haven't seen them in the classroom.

I was perusing Big Daikon for the first time the other day in a thread called "trivial things that annoy you" or something. There were a bunch of JETs who were angry about having to say "itadakimasu" and one bragged that he never puts his hands together for it.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kotoko wrote:
They'll let me teach classes by myself when the JTE is away (which I think is illegal).
Yes, it certainly is! Ask CLAIR how you should handle those requests. You don't want to be caught in a class when there is an emergency (earthquake, student fight, epileptic fit, etc.) and cannot deal with it properly.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2010 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bread wrote:


I was perusing Big Daikon for the first time the other day in a thread called "trivial things that annoy you" or something. There were a bunch of JETs who were angry about having to say "itadakimasu" and one bragged that he never puts his hands together for it.


If you want to know anything about living in Japan other than "UGGGHHH I'M FAT AND UGLY BUT I BANG ALL THESE CHICKS WITH MY ZERO JAPANESE SKILLS DESPITE BEING HERE FOR 3 DECADES UGHHHHH" then my advice is to not go to Big Daikon.
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G Cthulhu



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:

1. I thought you had written here a year or so ago that only about 10-15% of candidates actually had any teaching credentials. Did I misunderstand you, or have things changed that much in such a short time?


I'm not sure where the answer lies. I don't get to see the applicant files these days, only the interview ones. I do know that the number of places in the last round was smaller (more people choosing to stay on JET rather than come home - for obvious reasons) and applicant numbers were reasonably strong, so there are several things that could be read into that. All I know is at the two places I did interviews, the numbers were up dramatically on the teaching qualification front. The Japanese language front was, I think, better, but not in terms of numbers - just more people seemed more able to communicate at a higher level than the year before.



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2. Where you interviewed may have had such a high percentage of such people. How about in general?


I've wondered about that. I've chatted to a few (ie. 3!) people I know who interview in other locations, and they have said the same thing: they're seeing far more people with teaching qualifications and/or Japanese language skills in the interview pools. But that's as anecdotal as my own view, in the end, so feel free to put no store by it. Smile
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G Cthulhu



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2010 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kotoko wrote:

If you want to know anything about living in Japan other than "UGGGHHH I'M FAT AND UGLY BUT I BANG ALL THESE CHICKS WITH MY ZERO JAPANESE SKILLS DESPITE BEING HERE FOR 3 DECADES UGHHHHH" then my advice is to not go to Big Daikon.


Actually, while BD may be a bit (all right, a lot) of a cesspit, if you want accurate information about Japan, and know how to filter it from the joke replies, BigDaikon is the best place on the planet IMO for info on living in Japan. The contacts you can make are bizarre, and the range of knowledge across the posters is frightening (in many ways!) Smile

The problem, these days, is wading through the trolls over there. But hey, it looks like a couple of them are here...
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