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zandos



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:50 pm    Post subject: Degree's, Diplomas etc - Am a little confused Reply with quote

Hi, I am from the UK and do not have a university degree, however I do have a National Diploma and Higher National Diploma in arts, would this be an accepted qualification? The HND can be topped up to a degree but its been 10 years since I completed it and to pass I would have to get to grade 8 in music theory and I struggled to get to grade 5 and 10 years of not reading music will have taken me down to grade 2 if I had to be tested on it today, I am just confused with different countries use of wording a university degree if that makes sence?

Any help would be great, thanks Smile
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tttompatz



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

By degree they mean a Bachelors degree.

If your degree says, "Bachelor of _______," then you are good.

If your parchment says anything else then it will not be adequate.

You may want to look at the "open university" to see about gaining credit and advancing to a bachelors degree.

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zandos



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for the reply, I will look into it Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:26 am    Post subject: Re: Degree's, Diplomas etc - Am a little confused Reply with quote

zandos wrote:
The HND can be topped up to a degree but its been 10 years since I completed it and to pass I would have to get to grade 8 in music theory and I struggled to get to grade 5 and 10 years of not reading music will have taken me down to grade 2 if I had to be tested on it today, I am just confused with different countries use of wording a university degree if that makes sence?



That is, quite possibly, THE WORST run-on sentence that I have ever seen on Dave's site. Laughing Laughing
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scot47



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Op could benefit from examining the use of the apostrophe in Modern English. This is the litmus test of literacy in the language.
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zandos



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After 5 pints on a hot sunny night then thats is the best you will get out of me Smile
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GambateBingBangBOOM



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a page about degree names in music in the UK:

http://www.answers.com/topic/degrees-and-diplomas-in-music

I did a search, and yours doesn't appear.

Basically, if it doesn't say "Bachelor of XXXXXXXX" and/ or you cannot use it to apply for an advanced degree, then it isn't a degree. But music is bizarre in that there are so many different names to qualifications, and not all of the things that are undergraduate degrees in music are called 'bachelor...' (though you can still use them to apply for graduate school- you just contact the faculty of music at the university you want to study at and ask them. They almost always know what's what) so I can understand the confusion.

One of my majors was in music (it's called a BA in Music, and is half of an Honours BA [the other half was in English literature]- but it's a humanities, not a performance, degree. Reading knowledge of German, French and Italian are more useful for that degree than performance ability [though you wouldn't be able to graduate without doing at least two years of performance courses]). One of my profs was English. He has something called a GTCL from Trinity College, London as his undergrad- a qualification that I guess no longer exists. (He then has an MA and a PhD- both from Canadian universities). It sort of sounds, though as if what you have is NOT equivalent to a degree.

Your best bet is to just call up your university and ask them about it. If you have to do a bunch more work to upgrade it to a degree, and you don't want to do the theory, then you could look into seeing if it would get accepted for transfer credit into a degree in music history, music composition (though that usually requires a high level of theory) or music education (you take courses and theory of how to teach music in particular- it in itself usually does not lead to a k-12 teaching qualification, though) or possibly even music therapy- you take courses in psychology. Or if you have any other options- like if you study another subject for a couple of years, will they call it a double major and therefore give you an undergrad degree. I just found this:

this site wrote:
HND (Higher National Diploma) and HNC (Higher National Certificate) are work-related courses. Generally a Performing Arts HND is equivalent to second year of university while a Performing Arts HNC is equivalent to first year of university.


The Open University may be a good place to try if you need to go someplace other than where you got your original qualification (like if it was from a independent Conservatory as opposed to a faculty or department of music attached to a university). I know they have music as a major, but I think it may be a humanities (history) major as opposed to a theory (composition) or a performance major. They have something in Music and Literature as well, but that may be a graduate degree, I'm not sure. It's entirely possible that a university that has a B.Mus may accept your HND as the performance requirement (or most of it) and require you only to do history and or theory, or possibly even learn other instruments (B.Mus in music education) in order to get a (non-streamed) music degree (where those degrees exist). I know that in Toronto, Canada the big art college OCAD (Ontario College of Art and Design) started issuing degrees by having people already about to graduate stay and take a few art history courses (I know someone who did exactly that and then came to Japan to teach EFL). If there is such a thing as a three year university degree in the UK (there is in Canada and Australia at least) then that may be an option, if you look into it.

Keep in mind that this is an international board, and British qualifications often have names that are different than the names used in the US, Canada, and Australia (but not always). Also, the one thing people on this board have in common is teaching English as a foreign (or second) language. For those of us who have studied it at university, that's an education, linguistics or possibly English major (or it may stand on its own separate from any particular department). I'm not sure that music is a really common major for people here.
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MrMrLuckyKhan



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 3:39 am    Post subject: Re: Degree's, Diplomas etc - Am a little confused Reply with quote

Serious_Fun wrote:
zandos wrote:
The HND can be topped up to a degree but its been 10 years since I completed it and to pass I would have to get to grade 8 in music theory and I struggled to get to grade 5 and 10 years of not reading music will have taken me down to grade 2 if I had to be tested on it today, I am just confused with different countries use of wording a university degree if that makes sence?



That is, quite possibly, THE WORST run-on sentence that I have ever seen on Dave's site. Laughing Laughing


Hey, he used one comma; that helped!!! lol
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zandos



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 10:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice, I am now looking into going down the OU route Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zandos wrote:
After 5 pints on a hot sunny night then thats is the best you will get out of me Smile



It's a hot, sunny night and you've only had 5 pints? You'll make a poor ESL teacher old bean. Laughing
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zandos



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After a year of being T total then 5 pints was pretty good going Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teetotal? TEETOTAL?! Get thee behind me satan hic!
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zandos



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Technicaly, should it be Tea Total?
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, don't think so. You can drink more than just tea. Here's a wiki to confuse matters more:

Etymology

The Drunkard's Progress: A lithograph by Nathaniel Currier supporting the temperance movement, January 1846.
One anecdote attributes the origin of the word to a meeting of the Preston Temperance Society in 1832 or 1833. This society was founded by Joseph Livesey, who was to become a leader of the temperance movement and the author of The Pledge: "We agree to abstain from all liquors of an intoxicating quality whether ale, porter, wine or ardent spirits, except as medicine." The story attributes the word to Dicky Turner, a member of the society, who had a stammer, and in a speech said that nothing would do but "tee-tee-total abstinence".
An alternate explanation is that teetotal is simply a reduplication of the 'T' in total (T-total). It is said that as early as 1827 in some Temperance Societies signing a 'T' after one's name signified one's pledge for total abstinence.[1] In England in the 1830s, when the word first entered the lexicon, it was also used in other contexts as an emphasized form of total. In this context, the word is still used, predominantly in the southern United States.[citation needed]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teetotalism
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zandos



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh well, lets just say I had not drank alcohol for a while Very Happy
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