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CrownMe



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:18 pm    Post subject: New guy looking for honest advice Reply with quote

Hey,

I posted this in the newbie forum and received little feedback. I was advised to post it here and see if I can get some additional help from people that are more experienced with the region. Please see below for my original post.

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Hey guys,

I've been interested in teaching abroad (particularly the Middle East) for about a year now. I was looking for some advice and any comments would be greatly appreciated. I'll start off by introducing myself to help you, help me.

I'm a 23 year old single male Canadian citizen, that was born in Saudi Arabia (my parents are not of Saudi background). I've lived in Canada pretty much all my life, but I feel I have a decent understanding of middle eastern culture. English is my first language, and I can also speak Urdu. I also just started learning a bit of Arabic using Rosetta Stone.

Recently I completed a B.Comm in HR Management, but I do not have a CELTA or TEFL or anything of the sort yet.

...hopefully that gives a slight understanding of my background...Now on to some of my questions..


1) from my understanding, most schools in the Middle East require teaching experience... Is that an absolute must or can I still work there without experience given that I should be willing to accept a lower salary till I build experience?

2) What course/accreditation would you suggest (CELTA,TOEFL, TESL, etc.) to someone that is open to teach either children or adults, doesn't matter?

3) If getting a job in the Middle East is even possible without teaching experience.. what kind of salary/benefits should I expect?


.. that should be all for now.. Any other comments, opinions, advice, etc. would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you very much.
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helenl



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have no EFL credentials whatsoever.

You have no teaching experience in anything.

You do not qualify for any EFL job - including with most of the bottom feeder employees.

AT MINIMUM you need some sort of certificate CELTA being the most recognized - still won't get you a decent job - but a bottom feeder might take you on until you get used up and spat out. You will have no legal standing (having been brought up in Saudi, you are probably aware you NEED sponsorship in order to work legally, bottom feeders won't give you that). Your pay will be the bottom of the ladder and no benefits (housing, tickets, medical, etc.) and you will struggle in the GCC to survive.

Better to start getting better credentials (starting with the CELTA), working someplace other than the GCC ($$ not so good, but cost of living usually much lower) and then considering moving on to a Master's in a related EFL discipline (i.e. applied linguistics) if you decide you want to continue.

Do a search on these forums - people with your lack of credentials come every few weeks with the same questions. The answers are always the same.
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Bout as honest as you can get...

NCTBA
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CrownMe



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

helenl wrote:
You have no EFL credentials whatsoever.

You have no teaching experience in anything.

You do not qualify for any EFL job - including with most of the bottom feeder employees.

AT MINIMUM you need some sort of certificate CELTA being the most recognized - still won't get you a decent job - but a bottom feeder might take you on until you get used up and spat out. You will have no legal standing (having been brought up in Saudi, you are probably aware you NEED sponsorship in order to work legally, bottom feeders won't give you that). Your pay will be the bottom of the ladder and no benefits (housing, tickets, medical, etc.) and you will struggle in the GCC to survive.

Better to start getting better credentials (starting with the CELTA), working someplace other than the GCC ($$ not so good, but cost of living usually much lower) and then considering moving on to a Master's in a related EFL discipline (i.e. applied linguistics) if you decide you want to continue.

Do a search on these forums - people with your lack of credentials come every few weeks with the same questions. The answers are always the same.


Fair enough. I wasnt planning on applying for work without getting my CELTA, btw.

So the general idea is no experience = no/horrible job in the GCC.

Better off getting certified and working elsewhere and building experience.

Thanks.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CrownMe wrote:
So the general idea is no experience = no/horrible job in the GCC.

Better off getting certified and working elsewhere and building experience.

Thanks.

I love a quick learner. Cool Get that CELTA and a couple years experience teaching somewhere that isn't as tough or as expensive as the Gulf can be for the young entry level teacher. You might want to look into getting that CELTA at the British Council in Cairo. After a couple years, think about it... do you enjoy teaching? is this what you want to do with your life? If the answer is yes, look into an MA in TEFL/Applied Linguistics.

If you don't like it all that much... go back and get your MBA and use that business related BComm!!

VS
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CrownMe



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
CrownMe wrote:
So the general idea is no experience = no/horrible job in the GCC.

Better off getting certified and working elsewhere and building experience.

Thanks.

I love a quick learner. Cool Get that CELTA and a couple years experience teaching somewhere that isn't as tough or as expensive as the Gulf can be for the young entry level teacher. You might want to look into getting that CELTA at the British Council in Cairo. After a couple years, think about it... do you enjoy teaching? is this what you want to do with your life? If the answer is yes, look into an MA in TEFL/Applied Linguistics.

If you don't like it all that much... go back and get your MBA and use that business related BComm!!

VS


Time for me to weigh out my options and decide what I really want to do...

Thanks for the advice though, I appreciate it.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

b4 the ME u need

1. Qualification
2. 2 years experience

Some humility would also help.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
Some humility would also help.

Now Scot... this fellow has been very sensible and polite. I'd say in this case, your comment was uncalled for... Perhaps you are confusing him with one of the other newbies?

You're bein' a grouch!! Laughing

VS
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah...this was probably meant for the angry...er..."mad" person on the sowdy board...

NCTBA
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scot47



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VS is prejudiced against grouches. Unfair !
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
VS is prejudiced against grouches. Unfair !

Guilty as charged!! Laughing

VS
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redsnapper



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
scot47 wrote:
Some humility would also help.

Now Scot... this fellow has been very sensible and polite. I'd say in this case, your comment was uncalled for... Perhaps you are confusing him with one of the other newbies?

You're bein' a grouch!! Laughing

VS


In all fairness it did make me laugh Very Happy

But VS you are such a kind soul so I confer!
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