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mrwslee003 · Joined: 14 Nov 2009 Posts: 190

Very true anti feelings:

Anti-China feelings from bad goods being exported which is probably systemic since quality control require "experts" and "high tech" and China in a developing stage is still trying to catch up with these. Also, corrupt
quality control officers. The other thing is China always asserts that no one should interfere with its domestic affairs-well, in this ever diminishing world community we have to interfere when we see "abusive treatment" to our fellow human beings. China or the US of A or anyone else should know that.
So that general policy does need to be changed.

Anti-US feelings I feel are from many many, too many interferences of other nations' governmental policies. The US seems only want "pro-American" governments in all nations. Well, that "hunger for friends" mentality has been "repressive" to many people. How can anyone like
someone telling you "Be my friend or I will kill you!" or "Be pro-American
or I will change your government!". That attitude has been interpreted as
self serving or selfish or arrogant. Not too many people like neighbours
like that.

Miasaurus · Joined: 05 Aug 2010 Posts: 24

If there are "many many, too many" instances of the US telling other countries to be our friend or we will kill them, name five in which we acted alone. While I agree that the US often acts in its own interest and is seen as selfish, we're hardly the only one. We're just the conspicuous one.

Also, governments don't have friends, they have allies, and anyone can tell you how important allies are.

I have the sudden urge to put things in "quotation" marks for "fun."

Woopwoop · Joined: 18 May 2010 Posts: 29

Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:07 pm Post subject:

@Leopoldbloom:

"There is anti-Americanism in the world, yes, and then there's the odd reality of huge demand in every country around the world to visit and/or live in America. Go figure? And when America tries to tighten visa policies because our country has far more visa requests each year than any nation our earth, the loud complaints never stop... Hm. I don't get it. "

Simple. The reason a lot of people want to come to your country is the same as why they want to come to mine (Australia) or Europe: they want a share of our higher standard of living.

LeopoldBloom · Joined: 08 Jul 2010 Posts: 57

And doesn't that just tell all, whoopwhoop? People love to get the goods from a powerful country than moan behind their backs. This sounds more like human nature than anything specific to the US. FYI, the US and its policy-makers are a nation of immigrants. And especially since the past couple generations, many in power are first generation American citizens or only a generation or two back. I think many problems and criticisms concerning the US are related to the human phenomena more than anything.

The US a nation comprised of human beings and self-interest is certainly one motivation. It is a capitalistic world system we deal with. And the US does not tell governments to act as it likes or it will kill them; that is a ridiculous statement.

nickpellatt · Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 1522

post deleted, this isnt really the place for our (my) passionate beliefs. No offense intended

Miasaurus · Joined: 05 Aug 2010 Posts: 24

I'm at work so can't write a lot, but stopping communist expansion, which was behind many of the things you listed, does not = wanting other countries to be our friends or we'll kill them. I'm not saying that wanting to stop communist expansion at all costs was a great move, but the point of my question was to showcase how people who have such a problem with American politics tend to oversimplify everything to the point of absurdity. It is like trying to discuss politics with kindergarteners.

It is funny how you decided to mention Iran, home of likely the most greivous human rights violations in the world, as a country that we are 'bullying.' Not only are we far from the only foreign country in putting pressure on Iran to stop nuclear development and correct some of the aforementioned violations, Iranians themselves question the validity of the government. Again, it is an oversimplification to say that we are acting only out of selfish arrogance when it comes to Iran.

nickpellatt · Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 1522

post deleted, this isnt really the place for our (my) passionate beliefs. No offense intended

mrwslee003 · Joined: 14 Nov 2009 Posts: 190

Quite often our impression of ourselves are quite different than how others
see us. That is the joy of having this forum so we can see different interpretations of the same item. Sometimes our knowledge of the truths are
not whole because we don't have all the information due to government
misinformation or propaganda.

At one time you can't even mention America because it was the enemy #1 and now it is the #1 partner in world affairs. How did that happen?
Someone just turned on a different political switch!

Miasaurus · Joined: 05 Aug 2010 Posts: 24

I'm not sure what you mean, mrwslee. At what point could you never even mention America? At what point was it NOT a partner in world affairs?

As an American who has traveled throughout W. Europe, Asia, and S. America, this extreme anti-American sentiment due to political decisions made by our government simply doesn't exist. It seems that some people are so eager for America to be "punished" through mistreatment of its people that they see things that aren't there.

Of course, some people like to blame ordinary citizens for the problems of the government that they may or may not have voted into power, since if we are to be personally blamed for our government then they are certainly to be personally lauded for their government, but this isn't a USA-specific problem.

Mr. Kalgukshi · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 8:45 pm Post subject:

For the record, this thread will not become a venue for the discussion of the U.S. and its place in world politics, past, present or future.

My suggestion is to get back on topic very quickly or this thread will no longer be available.

mrwslee003 · Joined: 14 Nov 2009 Posts: 190

We started talking about supposedly some anti-American feelings in China and anti-China feelings in the world. I think we should stop here fearing more misunderstanding because emailing information is inefficient at best.
Sorry!

rogerwilco · Joined: 10 Jun 2010 Posts: 1549

Not anti-Americanism, but "anti-foreignerism".
My girlfriend lives in Shanghai, and I live in a very small city a few hours away.
She is from my city and her parents live nearby. I have met her parents and they are very nice people.
But, she refuses to meet with me in the city where her parents and I live.
Why ? Because foreigners are considered monkeys here, and she would be considered "less than a monkey" for the locals to know she is in a relationship with me.

The locals are very happy for me to teach English to their children, as long as I do not touch the local women.....

mdovell · Joined: 02 Nov 2009 Posts: 131

It is very short sighted to consider that anyone represents every action that their government does. There's a difference between the government and the people. Some might be brainwashed to hate (north korea) but no one group of people is born with hate. It has to be taught.

El Chupacabra · Joined: 22 Jul 2009 Posts: 378 Location: Kwangchow

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you!

mrwslee003 · Joined: 14 Nov 2009 Posts: 190

Yes, and just because you are paranoid it does NOT mean anyone is out to get
you as well.

Often our perception is based on our feelings and state of mind at that moment
in time. A shadow is just a shadow but it could mean a ghost to some.

Anti-American or anti foreigners in China is not natural, it is man made or
a learned response. It is more political propaganda than reality. Most people
in the US are just as nice as most people in China or any other country if the
politicians stay out of their lives.