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Scott Alan



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 7:37 am    Post subject: Japan Recruiters and websites- legit ones? Reply with quote

I'm in Korea and looking to go directly to Japan (for the 3rd time). This rules out the main eikaiwa- Aeon, Geos, Berlitz, and ECC, I believe. Anyone know any good sites that are heavy on Japanese jobs open to people residing outside of Japan? Or any recruiters that do this service (ideally for free)?
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projectgenesis



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:24 am    Post subject: Interested in your comparisons Reply with quote

Hi, this isn't really a response to your question, but more a query. I hope you don't mind, but I think you can help me with my decision to go to Japan or Korea. My heart is set on Japan and I have been learning Japanese, but I am considering Korea because there seems to be more benefits working there. How have you found working in Korea compared with Japan? Japan seems more westernised and I think there is more to do in the cities. But Is there really a possibility to earn and save more in Korea and what are your working conditions like? Do you have time for yourself to do things or are working hours long in Korea? Please could you tell me why you want to go to Japan, I hear the schools there really take advantage and treatment of teachers is really bad, also, you work such long hours that there is no time for yourself. Did you start in Korea first? I would be very interested to hear your comparisons of both countries, especially if you were in the cities.Thanks
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Samurai



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 9:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have posted twice... Rolling Eyes
Why does coming to Japan for a third time rule out an eikaiwa? Considering that you are thinking of coming to Japan real soon I would think that an eikaiwa would be your best bet as you are outside Japan Wink ;especially as most summer ALT posts will have already gone.

As for projectgenesis your question has been answered already. As the MOD team has already told you, if you want to talk about Korea then take it to the Korea section.
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Scott Alan



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samurai wrote:
You have posted twice... Rolling Eyes
Why does coming to Japan for a third time rule out an eikaiwa? Considering that you are thinking of coming to Japan real soon I would think that an eikaiwa would be your best bet as you are outside Japan Wink ;especially as most summer ALT posts will have already gone.

As for projectgenesis your question has been answered already. As the MOD team has already told you, if you want to talk about Korea then take it to the Korea section.


Hi Samurai. Sorry for the confusion in my wording. Also, I didn't know there was a special "Japan" section but found it after I wasn't getting reponses from my one in the general section. Hence the double post and "one" reply.

I'm aware of the ALT jobs being closed by now. I will absolutely work at an eikaiwa and know that's my best bet, but it's my understanding that the huge franchises generally require a live interview in the UK, Canada, Australia, or the US. I'm looking for a good resource to find other schools. Dave's ESL is the best site pound for pound but there's not too much for Japan other than Westgate. Other sites like jobsinjapan.com are more oriented towards gaijin already in Japan. Any ideas?
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Samurai



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it's a bad time now for applying for ALT jobs outside of Japan as the dispatch companies usually want someone quickly...and that usuaiily means someone who's already in Japan with an appropriate visa. If you want an ALT position and can wait until next spring you will have far more opportunities and a better chance of getting a job in an area you want. If you haven't already been a JET I would consider it. If you have then you may be able to do it again, provided you meet the requirements.

As for sites...I suggest that you try:-
ohayosenei.com
gaijinpot.com
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bluetortilla



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there an actual list of the Dispatch companies in Japan?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This thread will focus on living and teaching in Japan or it will be locked or deleted accompanied by sanctions, as appropriate.
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluetortilla wrote:
Is there an actual list of the Dispatch companies in Japan?

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=83136

This OP had a go at trying to get a list together.

But define what you mean by "legit".

Do you mean real dispatch companies as opposed to internet scam companies trying to trick you into handing over money then stopping all contact? Or do you mean dispatch companies that obey the law, don't try to work every loophole to gain profit normally at the expense of its employees.

If you meant the latter, then I'm afraid that you won't find any legit dispatch company.

That aside, they vary on how badly they treat their workers. Places like JALSS are notorious for their treatment of their workers. But if being an ALT is what you are set on and you can't get onto JET, then a quick search for reviews on specific companies here and through google should quickly highlight which ones might not be so hellish to work for and which shouldn't be touched with a barge pole.
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bluetortilla



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopefully somewhere in between! Actually I'm just looking for a job fast- don't plan on sticking around the ALT scene (though I'll finish the contract as long as I'm not cheated). But other than that my attitude is fine. If the dispatchers are jerks maybe we have no choice but to think of what we can do for our students. ALT's can actually be heros to some kids. Smile

Can't imagine anyone wanting to do this long term though. Got an Irish friend in Miyazaki who, into his third year as an ALT was ready to pull his eyeballs out (loved where he was living though). He's now back in Ireland to get his master's in TESL. It seems ALTs really feel the brunt of racism here.

Thanks for the list. I'll definitely check it out!

Philip
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluetortilla wrote:


Can't imagine anyone wanting to do this long term though. Got an Irish friend in Miyazaki who, into his third year as an ALT was ready to pull his eyeballs out (loved where he was living though). He's now back in Ireland to get his master's in TESL. It seems ALTs really feel the brunt of racism here.



It depends on your situation and temperament I suppose. I have a Pakistani-Canadian friend who has been an ALT at a private high school in Tokyo for years and she seems quite happy with her job. Being ethnically Pakistani, if there was any overt racism she would be likely to have come across it and she's never mentioned any incidents.

I know a few others who enjoy being ALTs as well. For some though, (and I suspect I would be among them), it's not what they were cut out to do at all.
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bluetortilla



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I'm thick skinned and being called gaijin to my face doesn't even phase me at all. I get it.
Yes, I think my friend's a bit oversensitive. There is more to a job than just money and respect comes with performance. If you just follow the Apricot Method because you're too tired or whatever to research, your Japanese colleagues will sense it.
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bluetortilla



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That list was pretty dead, sorry to say.
I know there are a bunch of jobs in Kyushu. How do I get one???
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well you're not going to find anything much for dispatch especially now. You've already missed the smaller summer intake. Everything is going to be rather dead until mid-winter when hiring starts for the spring intake.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bluetortilla wrote:
'm just looking for a job fast-
Get real. By the time you respond to an ad, wait for a reply, get an interview lined up (even one by phone or Skype), wait for the employer to decide, hear about the acceptance, and wait for a work visa to be processed, it would be at least 2 months, perhaps double that.


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If the dispatchers are jerks
It has been said that most operate without a license, and the government looks the other way, so think about it. Poor/Illegal working conditions and almost nobody to turn to for help (except the union or labor standards office). Desperate or naive people go this route, and IMO they have little justification in complaining if they've heard about the dispatchers from here.

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maybe we have no choice but to think of what we can do for our students. ALT's can actually be heros to some kids. Smile
In some cases, a school can get 7 ALTs in one year. Not much opportunity to be anyone's here there.

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Can't imagine anyone wanting to do this long term though.
Some people do teach EFL long-term, but they learn to adapt and change their work situation. The market is in sad shape nowadays, though, so that makes it very tough to do.

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It seems ALTs really feel the brunt of racism here.
It's not racism. It's just a terribly run dispatch system.
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bluetortilla



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In some cases, a school can get 7 ALTs in one year.


Well, if the turnover is that high, one of the dispatchers must be hiring at any given time. How are they getting replacements?

Realistic or not, I need to get down to Kyushu as soon as can for urgent family reasons. I have a permanent visa, lots of experience, and I'm employable. I just need a lead. I guess I just have to spend half a week in Fukuoka walking in to every school I can find.

I've tried Daijob, but I find that the jobs are all too technical and above my league. Personally, for a person like me I think entrepreneur work best, but that takes time.
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