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PolarBear
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Thanks everyone for the advice.
I'd like to point out that I haven't signed an actual contract. The school sent me an agreement that simply states I'll arrive in China drug free & I'll sign the actual contract once I arrive. My impression of it is that it's not an actual employment contract at all. |
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dakelei
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It's not. Tell them you're not coming and be done with it. EF in China mostly stinks and everyone here knows it.
I grow very weary of the moralizers here. When someone asks a question just answer it, OK? If you can't, say nothing. Save your preaching for church. There have been quite a few times I've read a thread here because I really wanted to know the answer to a particular question or problem. I've given up in disgust more than once as a question goes unanswered while those who want to talk about "morality" take up valuable space and time. There are lots of philosophy and religion sites on the web. Those of you with the time and inclination to investigate moral issues can visit one of those. |
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Teatime of Soul
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I grow very weary of the moralizers here. When someone asks a question just answer it, OK? If you can't, say nothing. Save your preaching for church. There have been quite a few times I've read a thread here because I really wanted to know the answer to a particular question or problem. I've given up in disgust more than once as a question goes unanswered while those who want to talk about "morality" take up valuable space and time. There are lots of philosophy and religion sites on the web. Those of you with the time and inclination to investigate moral issues can visit one of those. |
Similarly, some may grow weary of those who advocate illegal or unethical behavior on these forums that can result in diminished working conditions and reputation of all FTs in China. They are, figuratively speaking, asking for assistance to urinate in our pool.
I suppose one could point out that there are plenty of forums detailing how to commit illegal or immoral acts, and one could advise posters to direct their questions to one of those sites.
But, as for my own part, if I don't like what I read, I usually just move on. |
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DixieCat
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| Do I have a right to decline the offer now? Are there any legal issues if I do? |
To identify careful consideration and a decision process as advocating illegal or unethical behavior is reaching just a little.
There are no legal issues to consider and as the document "a letter of intent" is designed to allow additional consideration even in the form of a non binding contract.
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This comment has some merit as those who give advice to honor agreements based on an instrument that is not legally binding often have hidden agendas. In the end it is the querying poster that has to live with any decisions made and the idea of being in a situation that is not suitable has more weight then some employment pool.
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| But, as for my own part, if I don't like what I read, I usually just move on. |
Good advice. |
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Teatime of Soul
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| This comment has some merit as those who give advice to honor agreements based on an instrument that is not legally binding often have hidden agendas. |
You almost got it right.
Too often, shady recruiters abound on these boards, along with unlicensed schools, who advocate illegal and unethical acts.
And when they get called on it, they posture as being offended by moralizing. In truth, they just got outed.
In this case, my response was to the tone and message content of a poster who wanted to dictate the terms of the discourse on this forum. A privilege which, unless I am mistaken, belongs only to Dave Sperling and his appointees.
I'd PM you more on it but I see you have a brand spanking newbie account and don't yet have P.M. privileges to respond. |
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DixieCat
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| A privilege which, unless I am mistaken, belongs only to Dave Sperling and his appointees. |
I would agree with this conclusion and further ad that it would also be up to them to delete or to re-direct a poster to another board.
I think that characterizing the kind of actions of the OP as illegal and immoral is less than helpful.
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| But, as for my own part, if I don't like what I read, I usually just move on. |
Since we all have opinions and as long as those opinions are not in violation of board policy (a classification left up to the mods) answers maybe should be directed towards providing advice and not attaching moral trappings. I have suggested that those who do may have other agendas and that should be considered when weighing the value of their post. |
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Teatime of Soul
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I'd suggest immediately notifying any school the OP ultimately decided NOT to work for as soon as possible. That way, they can move on to another candidate, minimize their losses, and put it behind them.
DixieCat, I'm not at all suggesting the OP is doing something illegal or immoral. I am merely pointing out there are those on these boards who do make such suggestions, for the reason you stated, they have their own agendas. |
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DixieCat
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I concur with you that there are agendas, but in this thread, no illegal or immoral actions were posted. I think the call for actual answers and less moralizing which would direct more actual information to those who ask specific questions would be most helpful. This is not a legally binding agreement and the OPs question as to how to deal with this was answered by dakelei.
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| They are, figuratively speaking, asking for assistance to urinate in our pool. |
A little far fetched, wouldn't you say.
The truth is, any applicant has the right to refuse any offer up until they actually sign a legal and binding contract. |
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Silent Shadow
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| DixieCat wrote: |
I concur with you that there are agendas, but in this thread, no illegal or immoral actions were posted. I think the call for actual answers and less moralizing which would direct more actual information to those who ask specific questions would be most helpful. This is not a legally binding agreement and the OPs question as to how to deal with this was answered by dakelei.
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| They are, figuratively speaking, asking for assistance to urinate in our pool. |
A little far fetched, wouldn't you say.
The truth is, any applicant has the right to refuse any offer up until they actually sign a legal and binding contract. |
Well said. |
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