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mejms
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| I thought one of the changes was that you no longer had to report changes in employment. Or do you have to update your information because you are renewing? If your FM2 is based on marriage, it has always been a requirement that you offer proof that the marriage is ongoing, I believe. |
There's no such change as far as I know. I work independently by recibos de honorarios, and according to immigration I need to report any change in that status. In this case, that's also teaching some classes at a university and being on nomina. You've got to report that, same as before.
I'm not renewing my visa. Proof of marriage is required for the renewal, but I was surprised that they're asking it now for a change of address and change of activity. Especially as it wasn't given as a requirement when I first went down for informes. |
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Isla Guapa
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| I submitted my FM-2 for a change of activity and change of address. |
I thought one of the changes was that you no longer had to report changes in employment. Or do you have to update your information because you are renewing? If your FM2 is based on marriage, it has always been a requirement that you offer proof that the marriage is ongoing, I believe. I am by no means an expert, but have helped a number of people translate and submit their documents. |
Perhaps "change of activity" and "changes in employment" are different. The first could be a change in the kind of job, from teaching to translating, for example. The second could be a change of employers within the same field, from School A to School B. |
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Tretyakovskii
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| How do you plan to prove you're "making a contribution to the development of the country"? |
Guapa, this may just be a matter of semantics: I don�t plan to prove it, I plan to assert it. Whether INM agrees that that is the case is up to them, but I�ll try to get one of more people to write letters speaking of my work in those terms, including the Rector and Secretaria Escolar of my university, and a representative of at least one national institution. I think that will do it, but I won�t know till I give it a try. |
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Isla Guapa
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It sounds a bit iffy to me unless you're involved in the reformation of English-language teaching in Mexico at the highest levels  , but it's certainly worth a try. |
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mejms
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How do you plan to prove you're "making a contribution to the development of the country"?
Guapa, this may just be a matter of semantics: I don�t plan to prove it, I plan to assert it. Whether INM agrees that that is the case is up to them, but I�ll try to get one of more people to write letters speaking of my work in those terms, including the Rector and Secretaria Escolar of my university, and a representative of at least one national institution. I think that will do it, but I won�t know till I give it a try. |
Actually, I think asserting it is what they`re looking for, even now so more with the changes. For instance, with the change of address tramites, before you had to have a copy of the owner`s IFE (assuming you rent) and signed letter by the owner stating that you do live there or a copy of the contract. Now immigration needs none of this, just a letter in which you say that you live there.
I think that a letter stating that you intend to work towards the development of the community as a hardworking teacher is enough for them. |
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Isla Guapa
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How do you plan to prove you're "making a contribution to the development of the country"?
Guapa, this may just be a matter of semantics: I don�t plan to prove it, I plan to assert it. Whether INM agrees that that is the case is up to them, but I�ll try to get one of more people to write letters speaking of my work in those terms, including the Rector and Secretaria Escolar of my university, and a representative of at least one national institution. I think that will do it, but I won�t know till I give it a try. |
Actually, I think asserting it is what they`re looking for, even now so more with the changes. For instance, with the change of address tramites, before you had to have a copy of the owner`s IFE (assuming you rent) and signed letter by the owner stating that you do live there or a copy of the contract. Now immigration needs none of this, just a letter in which you say that you live there.
I think that a letter stating that you intend to work towards the development of the community as a hardworking teacher is enough for them. |
I think that changing your address is a minor matter, especially as compared to drastically cutting down on the time it takes to be eligible for an FM2. I don't think that a nice letter explaining your well-meaning intentions is going to do the trick unless you or your lawyer have some good friends at INM |
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mejms
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| I think that changing your address is a minor matter, especially as compared to drastically cutting down on the time it takes to be eligible for an FM2. I don't think that a nice letter explaining your well-meaning intentions is going to do the trick unless you or your lawyer have some good friends at INM |
Don�t agree with that. In any bureaucracy, paperwork is paperwork and they�ll get hung up on the smallest of details even if you�ve got the most relevant and important information in order. For instance, I�ve had all my tax documents together, including a letter from my accountant stating my average income with his cedula profesional and the issue was that the �J� on the signature of his letter looked a little different (well, smaller) than the �J� from his cedula.
A letter of apoyo moral is necessary for the renewal of the FM-2 (at least it was last year if you�re married). This is simply a letter from your spouse saying that you�re a responsible, hardworking person. Fluff? Sure, but paperwork is paperwork.
Look, the issue is resolved easily enough by going down to your immigration office and asking what exactly they want. I don�t have experience in your immigration office, but I don�t think it�s out of the question that an assertion is what�s wanted. |
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Tretyakovskii
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| Guapa, people often get hung up with what they imagine to be the substance of the law and unwittingly impose standards that are higher than are observed in practice. I, and the government officials I mentioned, all of whom work in education, will be asserting that what I do furthers the development of the country. I would think INM reluctant to overrule their judgment, and mine (for what that's worth), to deny the application, especially with there being no evidence to the contrary: still, I'm not making any predictions and will wait to see how they rule. |
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Isla Guapa
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| If you have high-ranking government officials on your side, that will definitely give you a leg up . Before I go to renew my FM3 next spring, I'll have a chat with my immigration lawyer to see if they can help me jump through the bureaucratic hoops more quickly, though at my age, I'd better be careful not to trip! |
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Guy Courchesne
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| Guapa, people often get hung up with what they imagine to be the substance of the law and unwittingly impose standards that are higher than are observed in practice. |
That's a subtlety about Mexico that many foreigners struggle with here (not singling you out, Guapa). So much here is about the give and take and much less about what is written as law or policy. We talked about this yesterday with federal bank 'laws' in another thread and here it is again at immigration.
Good luck with your endeavour and do tell us how it comes out- unless you're employing bribery as a tool. Another all-too-common subtlety about Mexico that I think I'd rather not hear you mention. |
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Isla Guapa
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| Guapa, people often get hung up with what they imagine to be the substance of the law and unwittingly impose standards that are higher than are observed in practice. |
That's a subtlety about Mexico that many foreigners struggle with here (not singling you out, Guapa). So much here is about the give and take and much less about what is written as law or policy. We talked about this yesterday with federal bank 'laws' in another thread and here it is again at immigration.
Good luck with your endeavour and do tell us how it comes out- unless you're employing bribery as a tool. Another all-too-common subtlety about Mexico that I think I'd rather not hear you mention. |
Bribery is something I'd rather not hear about either, Guy. Is it bribery if you pay a lawyer to "facilitate" matters for you? |
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Guy Courchesne
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Good question! Here's another...
What do you have if you've got 100 lawyers buried up to their necks in sand? |
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Tretyakovskii
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| Posted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:37 pm Post subject: Bribes and other such foolishness.... |
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| Good luck with your endeavour and do tell us how it comes out- unless you're employing bribery as a tool. Another all-too-common subtlety about Mexico that I think I'd rather not hear you mention. |
Thanks for the well wishes, Guy, though I don't know the answer to your question! As for bribery, you'll never hear of any such foolishness from me. I don't even pay lawyers to "facilitate" things, preferring to do everything myself.
And, Guapa, as for tripping, you seem to have been pretty light of foot up to this point! I doubt your luck has run out! |
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Guy Courchesne
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Not enough sand.
Old one, but still good. zah |
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Tretyakovskii
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| Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2010 11:08 pm Post subject: Shortcut to FM2 |
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I'll soon be beginning the process of trying to collect the letters I feel I'll need to have any chance of success with the approach to an FM2 that I've mentioned on this thread.
If I can get the letters, I'll be submitting them sometime, soon, and I'll have a report on how the INM viewed them. |
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