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Germanicus



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 6:57 pm    Post subject: Need advice for working in DF please!! Reply with quote

HI. I'm a recent graduate of a BA(Hons) degree in Ireland. I received a 1st class honour in my finals and I'm 42 yrs of age. I've visited Mexico a couple of times and have really loved it. I've a good friend in DF who has her own apartment and is a long time resident there. She reckons that I wouldn't have too much trouble picking up an English teaching job there even without TEFL/TESOL and that it should be fairly straight forward to sort my visa out in DF. I'm seriously thinking of pitching up there in October with US1000 in my pocket and taking my chances. Can someone please advise on this? Much appreciation.
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Isla Guapa



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations on getting your degree! I don't think the fact that it's a BA with Honors or that you did so well on your finals will mean much here, but having the degree at all should be a help.

However, if you have no relevant training in how to teach English as a foreign language and no teaching experience of any kind, even if you found some work at a language school, how would you know what to do the first time you stepped into a classroom? You need to consider getting a TEFL certificate (TEFL/TESOL is not the name of a qualification, just several of many ways to refer to our profession), for the sake of your sanity and, even more important, for the sake of your students who will have paid good money for your services. Also, if you intend to work here legally, you will need proof of your ability to teach (a degree in education or some sort of certificate, like a CELTA) to be eligible for an FM3, a residence/work visa.
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Germanicus



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks. Much appreciated. Very Happy
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Tretyakovskii



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

$1,000 USD is no money at all, in Mexico. You could go through it in a hurry, and it would put you seriously at risk to be here with so little, and depending on others to look out for you. With $3,000, a return ticket, and a friend offering to put you up, you'd have what I would think of as a reasonable chance of avoiding serious embarrassment.

I agree with Guapa that having the brief, but intense training involved in a TEFL course is worth it for almost anyone entering teaching English: you won't know how much you don't know, if you land a job teaching, but your students may notice.

All that said, others have done just as you're proposing doing, survived, and prospered so, should you decide to go ahead, you have my well wishes for your success.
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TeresaLopez



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you need at the very least $2000 US and preferably more. $1000 US is enough to live on for a month, but frugally, and when you first arrive you will have start up costs, if you rent a department, whether shared or on your own, you will have to pay a month's rent and a deposit. Even if you get a job right away, it might be a month or a month and a half before you get paid. You really can't survive on $1000 US for that amount of time. I also echo what Isla said, please, for the sake of your students get some kind of training. I do some hiring for a langugage institute, and as part of the interview process I ask for a sample mini-lesson. What would you do in that case. In addition, I observe my teachers on a monthly basis to see how they are doing, and while occasionally someone without good training slips through the cracks, they don't last long. There are a few language schools here that might hire you and give you their own in-house training. The pay is not great, but at least you won't go in cold. But there aren't that many of them, so that really limits your options. You don't have to have a pricey CELTA, there are other options, especially here in Mexico City, that will give you decent training for a reasonable cost.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:37 am    Post subject: Re: Need advice for working in DF please!! Reply with quote

Germanicus wrote:
HI. I'm a recent graduate of a BA(Hons) degree in Ireland. I received a 1st class honour in my finals and I'm 42 yrs of age. I've visited Mexico a couple of times and have really loved it. I've a good friend in DF who has her own apartment and is a long time resident there. She reckons that I wouldn't have too much trouble picking up an English teaching job there even without TEFL/TESOL and that it should be fairly straight forward to sort my visa out in DF. I'm seriously thinking of pitching up there in October with US1000 in my pocket and taking my chances. Can someone please advise on this? Much appreciation.


A degree and a passport from an English speaking country are enough to find "basic" work in Mexico, esp. DF.

You will have missed the hiring frenzy for the new school year (in colegios) and October is a slow time of the year.

You might get your first job working in a chain language school, but you will have to take (unpaid) in-house training which could last up to a month. You also might not have enough hours/classes for the first 3 months.

Business classes can be an option. But they are often not to be relied upon as "steady" income but as extra income.

December and the holiday season is also very slow in Mexico.

I would look into at least taking an online TEFL cert. So you at least understand some of the concepts and ideas involved in TEFL.

And arrive with enough money to last at least 3 months and a return ticket home should things not work out for you.

I arrived in Mexico with $5,000 USD and took a TEFL course and I still had a reserve left over.

And I am also able to return to the States and make about $3-6,000 USD per month (with free bread & board) when the mood strikes me. Cool
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TeresaLopez wrote:
You don't have to have a pricey CELTA, there are other options, especially here in Mexico City, that will give you decent training for a reasonable cost.
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Dunham Institute in Chiapa de Corzo offers a full 4 week TEFL with a homestay with a Mexican family (private room) for only $1,400. Very small class size. A world away but only an overnight bus trip from DF.

PM me for more details (or search my posts). Very Happy
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thelmadatter



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:53 am    Post subject: degree Reply with quote

What's your degree in?
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Isla Guapa



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And I am also able to return to the States and make about $3-6,000 USD per month (with free bread & board) when the mood strikes me.


How very nice for you, but how useful is this information to our friend in Ireland?
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Dragonlady



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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response did not address OP's inquiry


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Isla Guapa



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dragonlady wrote:


Isla Guapa wrote:
How very nice for you, but how useful is this information to our friend in Ireland?
Shocked Shocked Perhaps we could all go back and read some of our own posts before jumping on others?



I wasn't jumping all over anyone. I was just questioning how Prof. Gringo's good luck at being able to make a living in two countries was pertinent to the OPs situation.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isla Guapa wrote:
Dragonlady wrote:


Isla Guapa wrote:
How very nice for you, but how useful is this information to our friend in Ireland?
Shocked Shocked Perhaps we could all go back and read some of our own posts before jumping on others?



I wasn't jumping all over anyone. I was just questioning how Prof. Gringo's good luck at being able to make a living in two countries was pertinent to the OPs situation.


Maybe the OP works (or could...?) on North Sea rigs, and knows that is a good fall-back plan.

I came to Mexico with both some money saved and knowing I could get a job in the States again if the need should arise (and yes, it has).
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dragonlady wrote:
thelmadatter wrote:
What's your degree in?
In Mexico, and elsewhere, your question is redundant. A degree in basket weaving, or better yet, a degree in Spanish will (often) get you a top notch job teaching English.

Isla Guapa wrote:
How very nice for you, but how useful is this information to our friend in Ireland?
Shocked Shocked Perhaps we could all go back and read some of our own posts before jumping on others?

Best regards,
Dragonlady


I agree with you on both accounts Dragonlady.

Only if someone had a degree in education would it truly be helpful. Otherwise a degree is enough for most jobs. Or a TEFL (in Mexico anyways). A degree and a TEFL, plus being a native speaker are a help, but I feel my five...almost six years on the ground living and working in country trump that anyday (just an example).

That being said, many colegios (and uni's) prefer to hire either Mexicans or long-timers in Mexico because newbies are a flight risk.
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Germanicus



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks all for the info. My degree is in Humanities, main subjects English Lit, Philosophy and Psychology. I agree that some kinda TEFL is advisable but my funds are very limited so reckon I'll do just a weekend 'hands on' course so I can at least prepare a class. Maybe my funds will be closer to US2000. I can stay with my friend no prob so no rent and will only have to split the grocery bill. Once again, thanks for the responses. Very Happy
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Isla Guapa



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If taking a good TEFL course will not be possible right now, you should look for work at one of the language schools that offers training to new teachers. I haven't worked at one of those places in years, but maybe another poster, like TeresaLopez, can offer suggestions as to where to apply.

Good luck!
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