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evaforsure
Joined: 26 Jun 2004
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They say....
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- You also will be offered:
--a friendly and personal service, quick responses, ....helpful suggestions |
From the OPs post it does seem that they were polite and got him an answer in a few days....and then when the OP question'd the agent, she simply wished him good luck... seems like they were along the lines of what they offered...
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| To their credit, Ms. Rita Liu, ANESL, acknowledged receipt of my documents in one day. I was assured by Ms. Liu that my application and documents would be forwarded to the university in a timely manner. |
It appears to me ..thz is the real problem....
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| Given my advanced credentials and experience, I was skeptical about Ms. Liu�s conduct and rejection rationale. |
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Worldly
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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Location: The Cosmos
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| Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:24 am Post subject: |
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It appears to me ..thz is the real problem....
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| Given my advanced credentials and experience, I was skeptical about Ms. Liu�s conduct and rejection rationale. |
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Thanks evaforsure! You're such a bright, optimistic forum member, and I sincerely appreciate your contributions!
You've given your opinion about me! Please allow me to opine about you!
From your posts, it appears you are quite insecure and personally OFFENDED by any newcomer who:
(1) is a professional and has the audacity to attempt to teach in China,
(2) possesses principles or values contrary to your own,
(3) is experienced and/or credentialed.
In your eyes, anyone with such a profile is a "problem," and will never make it in China! If a job-seeker does not have a "backpacker mentality," and low expectations for their potential employer, they will fail in China!
Needless to say, I patently REJECT your pessimistic attitude and outlook. Despite your assessment that my profile is problematic, I'll continue to seek a quality position in China.
If I'm successful with finding a position, I look forward to disproving your theories.
RE: Angelina's.
The BOTTOM LINE is this........Angelina's is guilty of:
- FALSE ADVERTISING
- PROMOTING A WEBSITE WITH MALICIOUS SOFTWARE
- BAIT-AND-SWITCH TACTICS
BUYER BEWARE! STAY AWAY! |
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evaforsure
Joined: 26 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 11:59 am Post subject: |
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From your posts, it appears you are quite insecure and personally OFFENDED by any newcomer who:
(1) is a professional and has the audacity to attempt to teach in China,
(2) Possesses principles or values contrary to your own,
(3) Is experienced and/or credentialed. |
First, the new comer would have to be able to verify that "professional" ability which from your post as to your behavior ...you have not...although you have reach a ten on the audacity scale and I am sure that will assist you in your job search in China.
What principal have you shown besides the principal of some one who thinks that their perceived value should be noticed and even bowed down too by the recruiter who you have requested to aid you in your job search?
so you say your credentialed, but who isn�t...so what is special about that ... willingness to get along with Chinese staff is worth more than any sheepskin ... as apparently your have discovered from your latest lesson with the recruiter...
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| In your eyes, anyone with such a profile is a "problem," and will never make it in China! If a job-seeker does not have a "backpacker mentality," and low expectations for their potential employer, they will fail in China! |
In my eyes such a profile is foolish as when you are looking for a job, try not to pick a fight with the recruiter and it is my opinion that some one with that attitude will have a hard time finding lasting and problem free employment in China. I have never hired a back packer, as I need qualified people...who have attended teaching programs.
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| Needless to say, I patently REJECT your pessimistic attitude and outlook. Despite your assessment that my profile is problematic, I'll continue to seek a quality position in China. |
I have never seen your profile so I have no idea if your profile is a problem, but it is a sure bet your attitude is�.Often when a poster writes of difficulty they are often pm�d with job offers from other posters who read of their plight. If your in box is full of offers then you know your are reaching the Davesters with your tale of woe, and if not, maybe your should re examine your method. It is expected that when an individual who considers themselves to be highly qualified is told that they may need to dial it back and that their aggression is not conducive to finding a job they will reject the opinions of those who they do not agree with but I do hope you continue to seek employment and continue to learn or to become socialized in the manor in which the proper behavior that is expected from a person who is looking for help in acquiring employment, can be used to forge relationships that will put you in a job which will offer you the best possible China experience. |
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Worldly
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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Location: The Cosmos
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:00 am Post subject: |
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First, the new comer would have to be able to verify that "professional" ability which from your post as to your behavior ...you have not...although you have reach a ten on the audacity scale and I am sure that will assist you in your job search in China.
What principal have you shown besides the principal of some one who thinks that their perceived value should be noticed and even bowed down too by the recruiter who you have requested to aid you in your job search? |
You have absolutely no credibility here!
As I previously stated, you completely ignored the purpose of my original post, re: Angelina's. Contrary to your arguments, my original post had absolutely nothing to do with being "self-serving."
When attempting to defend yourself, you are unable to write a grammatically-correct sentence, and you don't understand the difference between "principle" and "principal," and "to" and "too." (See above)
If you're truly a recruiter or hiring manager, I wouldn't give you the time of day, much less a glimpse at my background or credentials. You're a pessimist, insecure, unnecessarily argumentative, and you possess highly-questionable language skills.
I wish you the best of luck! You need it! |
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evaforsure
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| If you're truly a recruiter or hiring manager, I wouldn't give you the time of day, much less a glimpse at my background or credentials. You're a pessimist, insecure, unnecessarily argumentative, and you possess highly-questionable language skills. |
at least I possess a job... |
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China.Pete
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:34 am Post subject: Sharing the Misery Around |
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"At least I possess a job." -- Evaforsure
Some folks with seemingly fixed attitudes about the role they have to play here insist on coming to China -- whether China fully appreciates them or not.
Last edited by China.Pete on Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:16 am; edited 2 times in total |
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xiao51
Joined: 06 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:40 am Post subject: See Below |
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| If you're truly a recruiter or hiring manager, I wouldn't give you the time of day, much less a glimpse at my background or credentials. You're a pessimist, insecure, unnecessarily argumentative, and you possess highly-questionable language skills. |
at least I possess a job... |
To several of the previous posters,
Might it not be possible to confine ourselves to the subject and to discuss what the OP has set forth? It seems to me that a lack of professionalism is starting to seep its way into this thread.
To return to the subject at hand, Angelina's reputation has become less then stellar these past several years and everything that the OP cites is well-known to others in the field.
Sincerely,
Xiao Lin |
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donb2222
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El Chupacabra
Joined: 22 Jul 2009
Posts: 378
Location: Kwangchow
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| Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:03 am Post subject: Re: Angelina's International Placement Service |
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| Despite their claims, you may NOT receive friendly and personal service, quick responses, helpful suggestions, or a tracking report on your application. |
You may do well to read the above URL, as it suggests a more balanced criticism of working in China, which should also apply to recruiters like ANESL. Having recently worked with them, I can vouch that my recruiter was very friendly and helpful. However, he was extremely slow to respond during negotiations with a prospective employer. So slow I chose an alternate offer elsewhere.
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| In my opinion, it appears ANESL is interested in young, gullible, and inexperienced teaching applicants, only. |
Opinions are like bodily orifices; everyone has at least nine of them. The truth is that ANESL hooked me up with a highly selective employer with very high standards. I'm neither young, nor gullible.
ANESL can improve their game by becoming more engaged in negotiations, such as being timely in correspondence. However, they do not seem to be the epitome of evil portrayed by the OP. |
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wenzo
Joined: 24 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:42 am Post subject: anesl |
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| I didnt have any problems. They hooked me up with my first job here in Shandong province. Granted it is a 3rd-4th tier uni. Nothing sleazy. I might use them again after this term. |
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deputamadre
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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| If you're so qualified why not go teach at an international school in a top-tier city? Chinese universities are terrible. Bad pay, robotic students, and dismal facilities sound like fun. |
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El Chupacabra
Joined: 22 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| If you're so qualified why not go teach at an international school in a top-tier city? Chinese universities are terrible. Bad pay, robotic students, and dismal facilities sound like fun. |
ANESL does place teachers in international schools in so-called top-tier cities, as well not-so-terrible Chinese universities with superb facilities and anthropoid students.
My hunch is that ANESL's margins are so low they rely on sheer volume to make a profit. Perhaps the disgruntled OP just didn't understand the business context before going in. Still, there are humans working there just as there are humans behind these posts and replies. So please try not to be snide. |
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NigerianWhisper
Joined: 21 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Clearly this is a university that would be looking for female teachers only! |
PLEASE be specific. What is it about NUDT that REQUIRES female teachers, only? Is it a convent?
Of course, I'm being facetious. I know exactly what this university is, and being a female is definitely NOT a prerequisite for faculty members! |
I think that some of the problems you are facing boil down to an apparent 'arrogant' attitude. Perhaps you feel as though people should be beating your door down in order to get you to sign for them.
Perhaps you are not as good as you quite clearly think you are? |
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mrwslee003
Joined: 14 Nov 2009
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Mmmmm...did everyone take a long holiday between March and Sept?
Hope you had a good one!
I always say "Its back to the salt mines guys."  Another year for the Fts and
I wish everyone a happy, productive, and rewarding year! Maybe not neccessarily in that order.
With all the Fts' welfare in mind, I recommend a Union of Fts in The People's Republic of China be established so that we can speak with one voice to the Chinese Department of Education on the employment of Off-Shore Education
Professionals.
If you are an Official reading this thread, I hope you will support this Union so that all treatment of Fts are consistent and fair. Think of all the good
publicity in the global market this would generate should this establishment become a reality.
What do you think, Fts? |
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mrwslee003
Joined: 14 Nov 2009
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Well, from the Fts: Noway, I am not going to stick my neck out for that guillitine!
From the Officials: Who is that trouble maker suggesting we have the Fts organized? Take down his particulars and have his every move monitored!
Let's clarify a bit more: In a Socialist country of course we would have a union with Chinese characteristics- that union can NOT strike as in the Western sense. It has to adhere to Chinese laws, but with a bunch of Fts, there has to be some compromises. The Union is for the benefit of its members, as it should. And it also should help the local government to better utilize the services of the Fts.
The Union office is a clearing house for all trouble spots in the nation. The Officials can identify locations x, y, and z having contract problems with their Fts. Why? Or locations a, b, and c always have the lowest Ft pays. Why?
Then the Officials can devise solutions so that the Fts are treated fairer and minimizing their time spent on solving their contractual problems. The Ft services is like having an imported machine with all cylinders running.
I mean if a Ft is having trouble with his employer, his performance in class will
not be 100%. The Union office would solve that by finding out what the problem is and it certainly takes the burden off the Ft's back. So he can
focus on his job in the classroom.
In this situation the Fts benefit and the nation benefits, a win win situation. |
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