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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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 Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:19 pm Post subject: Re: erm........ |
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| ...please disregard every promise I've made. |
In my years of living here and there, I NEVER heard a Gulf Arab use the word "please"...EVER!
"Sorry", a word that they've rendered valueless, sure, as it means nothing upon utterance, but "please" indicating that they are politely asking...NEVER!
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007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Personally, I'm opposed to for-profit models in Education and believe a "Great Society" is/was an achievable/achieved socialism until overshadowed by military budgets, but it's not the way the wind is blowing. |
Well, the wind in America is not the same as in the Magic Kingdom! 
If you mean by "Geat Society" the American model like the one proposed by Lyndon Johnson or Franklin Roosevelt, then I think those models will not work in the Magic Kingdom as they did not work as well in America!
As far as injustice exists, the notion of "Great Society" is a hollow concept!
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In my years of living here and there, I NEVER heard a Gulf Arab use the word "please"...EVER!
"Sorry", a word that they've rendered valueless, sure, as it means nothing upon utterance, but "please" indicating that they are politely asking...NEVER! |
Please Simpson do not confuse "please" with "bliss", because the second one is the name of the Great Satan! |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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No, my furry-faced feline...I am talking about simple down-home POLITENESS!!!
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007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
No, my furry-faced feline...I am talking about simple down-home POLITENESS!!!
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Oh, I see Simpson, but which POLITENESS, the positive or negative one?
Why do you want to impose the American model of politeness on a different culture like the Magic Kingdom? Does not politness depends on the culture? For example, is Japanese politeness the same as the American one? I do not think so! |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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I POLITELY shake my teacup three times in order to not affront my Arab hosts through refusal of more. Politeness is universal.
Yer Japanese observation is faulty. I have powers of observation. I understand what to do.
Gulf Arabs are incapable of politeness when speaking in English. When an Arab sez "Salaam Alaykum", I say "�laykum Salaam". It's basic decency when you operate in a language other than your own.
Yer meowing up the wrong tree here, my friend... Like 99.9% of the time on this ENGLISH TEACHER'S site...you know nothing of which you speak.
I'd suggest a mathematician's board, but I can imagine how dull that would be...
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007
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
| Politeness is universal. |
Well, linguistically and scientifically speaking, the above is not correct! See the Japanese example.
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| Gulf Arabs are incapable of politeness when speaking in English. |
Why generalise? This is impoliteness from you!
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| Yer meowing up the wrong tree here, my friend... Like 99.9% of the time on this ENGLISH TEACHER'S site...you know nothing of which you speak. |
Well, I do not think you understand the definition of positive or negative politeness, and you know nothing of which you speak!
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| I'd suggest a mathematician's board, but I can imagine how dull that would be... |
Well, why not open your own board and ban me for life, so that you will not see my face. I am free to choose whatever board suits me. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, why not open your own board and ban me for life, so that you will not see my face. I am free to choose whatever board suits me. |
'Cuz yer fun to play with...Here, Kitty, kitty, kitty...
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RUBALKHALI
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Skill in speaking is universally recognized??? as a primary indicator of a person�s knowledge and credibility??? |
First time I ever heard that. A load of crap. What has credibility to do with language ability? One could be the worst criminal, thief or tyrant ...yet...speak eloquently....or one could not be the best speaker yet be very knowledgeable.
It appears to me that PJ(honestrecruiting) is foolishly trying to be something he is not...noteably, a linguistic authority. However, he can probably fool the 3 brothers, who own Al Shabaka. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| RUBALKHALI wrote: |
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| Skill in speaking is universally recognized??? as a primary indicator of a person�s knowledge and credibility??? |
First time I ever heard that. A load of crap. What has credibility to do with language ability? One could be the worst criminal, thief or tyrant ...yet...speak eloquently....or one could not be the best speaker yet be very knowledgeable.
It appears to me that PJ(honestrecruiting) is foolishly trying to be something he is not...noteably, a linguistic authority. However, he can probably fool the 3 brothers, who own Al Shabaka. |
If it is as incredible on its face as it is...then why post about it. As you put it, it's a contrived "load of crap"! all yer doin' by quoting him is over-inflating his already discredited ego...
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johnslat
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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Dear NCTBA,
As much as it pains me to mention this, your post quoting RHUBALKHALI'S post, which quoted the website claim also falls prey to this charge:
" . . . . all yer doin' by quoting him is over-inflating his already discredited ego..."
And - dear me - so does mine, I fear.
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lazycomputerkids
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| Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:36 pm Post subject: |
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Against Homer's better judgment, I'm electing to entertain this...
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| Well, the wind in America is not the same as in the Magic Kingdom! |
Consider Colonel Sanders and Ray Croc's McDonald's. What I didn't clarify was corporate solution to social problems. And by solutions I mean corporate organization and management-- privatization.
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| If you mean by "Geat Society" the American model like the one proposed by Lyndon Johnson or Franklin Roosevelt, then I think those models will not work in the Magic Kingdom as they did not work as well in America! |
I did indeed mean to reference the Democratic party's platform given vision by F.Rooselvelt and L.Johnson.
Whether regulation, unions and government offices dedicated to social concerns "did not work well" is a mater of opinion, of course. A claim without argument and qualified by "well" to hedge a position.
I'm of the opinion population growth is the ever growing "challenge" to policy makers and A Great Society's centralized, committee/clerical process doesn't scale.
But the US leads the world in a standard of living for the greatest number of people...a great society certainly did exist for a span of decades. Does it still?
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| As far as injustice exists, the notion of "Great Society" is a hollow concept! |
Not as hollow as your statement without supporting facts.
I infer you're referencing matters such as civil rights and I would heartily agree. The question becomes: What's your measure? Quantities? Qualities? What aspect of society will we examine? Apples to apples, so to speak.
Back to a topic: My post addressed how educational needs are increasingly met by private interests-- in Saudi Arabia as well as the west. My post addressed how a website plagiarized its content and how such a thing discredits solving educational needs with corporations. Though academic shenanigans go greatly unreported. Are market forces "sunshine"? Are "market forces" any way to discuss educational needs and goals?
The actuality: Education has always been a business. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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Dear NCTBA,
As much as it pains me to mention this, your post quoting RHUBALKHALI'S post, |
Dementia's a terrible thing to experience...
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Mr. Kalgukshi
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:40 am Post subject: |
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Way too many personal asides, insults and addressing the messenger rather than the message here. If it continues, some of you are looking at VERY long absences from this board.
If you think I am kidding, continue as you have above.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=77530 |
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RUBALKHALI
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| Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 1:52 am Post subject: |
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| Thank you Mr Kalgukshi for reminding all to stay on the topic of the thread. |
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