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hip-hop boy78
Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 90 Location: Hip-hop land
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:45 pm Post subject: Thinking about teaching in China: Questions |
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Hi,
I am thinking about teaching English in China, and would be grateful if anyone could offer some helpful advice on the pros and cons and/or answer some of my questions.
A little about myself: I have a BA and an MA in non-TEFL related subjects and seven years TEFL experience between Japan, South Korea and Italy. I am presently leaning towards returning to Korea, however, with the Korean market having become flooded with new teachers and more paperwork being required to obtain a visa, China is starting to appeal to me a little more.
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1) What kind of salary could I realistically expect with my experience? What should I be asking for?
2) I realise that it's too late now to find a good university job, so I'd be more or less restricted to working for private language schools. As such, can anyone recommend a good chain that operates in most of the larger cities?
3) Is it absolutely necessary to undertake a health check at home before being granted a Z-Visa, or is it possible to have the health check done in China? If the former, what tests need to be done?
4) Once I find a job and sign a contract, how long does the actual visa process usually take? If I started looking for and found a job within the next two weeks or so, would it be possible for me to obtain a Z-Visa and be on my way to China by early November?
5) I'd mostly be interested in teaching in Beijing, Shanghai, Nanjing, Qingdao, Xiamen or Guangzhou. How competitive are jobs in these particular cities? Would you highly recommend any other cities, particularly ones that have a high standard of living?
6) I'd rather avoid having to use recruiters, but if necessary, which recruiters would you recommend from personal experience?
7) Which websites other than this one would you recommend for my job search?
That's about it for now. Many thanks for any help offered.  |
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johntpartee
Joined: 02 Mar 2010 Posts: 3258
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| 3) Is it absolutely necessary to undertake a health check at home? |
No. |
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xi.gua

Joined: 15 Jul 2010 Posts: 170
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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As said in other threads, the avg salary can range from 4 to 6k per month. If you're in a big city you can expect higher, and in big cities you can always expect a lot of competition.
You shouldn't need a health check prior to coming to China, I never have and even if you do your school will make you do another one anyway so there's no purpose.
Assuming you find a school and get the invitation letter within 2 weeks, you'd be able to get the visa and off to China before November I'd say.
Honestly, all these questions have been answered many times before. Use the search function. |
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johntpartee
Joined: 02 Mar 2010 Posts: 3258
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Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Honestly, all these questions have been answered many times before. Use the search function. |
Using the search function means you have to sift through all of the incorrect information that's been posted. Yes, I know, the wrong info is then USUALLY disputed by someone, but a fresh post means that the OP only has to read his replies as they appear. I'm not saying "don't do a search", but..... |
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Lamentations
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Kysorb

Joined: 30 Jul 2010 Posts: 253 Location: Beijing
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:26 am Post subject: |
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| 3) Is it absolutely necessary to undertake a health check at home? |
No. |
Maybe,
Yes,
No,
All depends on your friendly local Chinese consulate, |
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nickpellatt
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 1522
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 7:46 am Post subject: |
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If you are looking at the big language schools, then I dont think you have any need of recruiters, and so I would avoid them altogether. I browse TEFL.com and the big names always seem to have positions advertised, and you can contact them directly. Reviews tend to be mixed at best on those employers though, with most China FTs favouring the low hours (and sometimes low expectations) within Universities.
Best thing would be to apply to the employers as above, and perhaps post a request for information on said school if and when you receive an offer. |
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bulgogiboy

Joined: 23 Feb 2005 Posts: 803
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Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 9:02 am Post subject: Re: Thinking about teaching in China: Questions |
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| hip-hop boy78 wrote: |
1) What kind of salary could I realistically expect with my experience? What should I be asking for?
2) I realise that it's too late now to find a good university job, so I'd be more or less restricted to working for private language schools. As such, can anyone recommend a good chain that operates in most of the larger cities?
3) Is it absolutely necessary to undertake a health check at home before being granted a Z-Visa, or is it possible to have the health check done in China? If the former, what tests need to be done?
4) Once I find a job and sign a contract, how long does the actual visa process usually take? If I started looking for and found a job within the next two weeks or so, would it be possible for me to obtain a Z-Visa and be on my way to China by early November?
5) I'd mostly be interested in teaching in Beijing, Shanghai, Nanjing, Qingdao, Xiamen or Guangzhou. How competitive are jobs in these particular cities? Would you highly recommend any other cities, particularly ones that have a high standard of living?
6) I'd rather avoid having to use recruiters, but if necessary, which recruiters would you recommend from personal experience?
7) Which websites other than this one would you recommend for my job search?
That's about it for now. Many thanks for any help offered.  |
1. It depends on where you want to work, both the employer and the city. You might be able to get a higher salary in Shanghai but the cost of living means you aren't any better off than in smaller cities. In any case, the money in China for the average TEFL job is generally very poor. You don't have any teaching qualifications, so the chances are you will be in a bog-standard TEFL job. Just browse the Chinese job ads on here, it will give you an idea of the pittance your employers are prepared to give you. Enjoy
I had a first degree in English and a few years experience when I worked in China. I was on a basic salary of 5500 RMB, at a language school in the Guangdong (Cantonese) province. I got a few hundred RMB more in overtime each month, but that was all. Having said that, I never felt short of money, ate/drank out often, and managed to do some pretty frequent travel too.
2. "Good university job" - hmm... to be honest Chinese uni jobs are some of the worst paying jobs in the country. Just look at the job ads, it's almost a volunteer salary in a lot of cases. Language schools actually pay a lot better, for the most part. I think as a general rule, and this is not just in China, large language school chains are untrustworthy, money-grabbing robbers who maximise their profits by paying their teachers peanuts. Scout about for a smaller language school, in a city you want to live in, that has some foreign teachers, and ask to chat to them about their working conditions.
3. I had the health check in China, not at home (UK). The tests took about an hour and were pretty superficial. Most of the staff doing the tests couldn't speak English and wanted to hurry it along. The worst thing was getting some blood taken, and that was it. I wouldn't worry about it.
4. I flew in on a tourist visa, then applied for a working visa through my school after a few days. Started working immediately.
5. I think all the cities you mentioned have more than enough opportunities for a 'laowei' TEFL teacher (or 'Gweilo' as they called me in Zhuhai), it's more about which one of them would make a suitable place to work at.
6. You can usually just get a direct hire. Avoid recruiters, period.
7. TEFL.com, although to be honest most of the jobs advertised there ask for a CELTA/Trinity Cert.
eslemployment.com might be ok, but honestly I think the Chinese job board on Dave's will be most useful.
Hope that helps! |
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