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king kakipi



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh, may I recommend to any vegeterian in Kobe trying an Indian Rest. there and asking for a "Chicken Tikka Masala". When I pointed out there was no chicken in it I was told there was as the waiter pointed to a piece of, er, TOMATO. When I further disected and proved it was indeed one of the aforementioned red fruit, my plate was whisked away and came back with one, yes one, cherry sized morsel of chicken (and quite possibly some extra 'sauce' courtesy of the offended chef......). I have eaten Indian food in the UK and Australia for many years and also in Inida. I tried quite a few Indian restaurants in Japan when I lived there and gave up. The meat was always small in quantity and quite often the floors and tables dirty (unusual for Japan). I come back with my family to Japan each year for 4 - 6 weeks and always ensure that the week before I leave Oz I get a decent Indian take away. Then I resist the 'temptation' of any Indian Menus I walk past in Japan. Last six years (visits) I stick to Japanese (especially kaiten sushi; soooo cheap and fresh compared to 0z) Korean and the odd Italian. I leave my other favourite cuisines (Indian, Thai Chinese) until I return to Oz. What do people think of Chinese food in Japan?; I have always been disappointed by it. I guess, when in Rome...........
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

king kakipi wrote:
quite often the floors and tables dirty


I haven't come across this at all. I can't comment on the amount of meat in curries because I only have vegetarian ones, but it seems odd to me that every single one of the hundreds of Indian restaurants in Tokyo for example would have the exact same issues. Maybe try some different places.
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apsara wrote:
king kakipi wrote:
quite often the floors and tables dirty


I haven't come across this at all. I can't comment on the amount of meat in curries because I only have vegetarian ones, but it seems odd to me that every single one of the hundreds of Indian restaurants in Tokyo for example would have the exact same issues. Maybe try some different places.

Same here.

I was just in an Indian Restaurant in Kanazawa. The kitchen was completely visible from the dining room - intentional, part of the design. My wife and I were marveling at how spotlessly clean their kitchen was!!
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Bread



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had the fluffy naan that people were talking about for the first time the other day. Sorry, authentic Indian fans, but it was amazing. I still have a place in my neighborhood that makes the normal stuff, though.

Also, I've eaten at multiple Indian places in Tokyo that had completely visible, spotless kitchens.
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chongalice49



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are there any grocery stores in Tokyo with Italian products? Things like Italian parsley, pasta sauce, capers, Italian breads, good cured meats, etc.?? Thanks guys!
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of the complaints that I have about Indian restaurants, I can't say that hygiene was amongst them. The food wasn't great and the interior and exterior decor of the last place was pretty tacky, but dirty? I haven't come across that.

Bread wrote:
I had the fluffy naan that people were talking about for the first time the other day. Sorry, authentic Indian fans, but it was amazing.

Naan is supposed to be quite soft and fluffy. The complaint was that the naan here often isn't. It tends to be quite dry and hard.

Speaking of fluffy naan, we had naan in kyuushoku again last week. The fact that it was a defrost job didn't matter; it was the soft, fluffy, non-sweetened variety.
But then the "curry" came. It was bright orange with a non-descript minced meat in. All the 4 gakunen staff were asking whether it was as good as the curry I'm used to. They all seemed to enjoy it so I just gave a "mmm" response. Last time it was served with the strangest chili con carne soup, but even that was way better than the stuff this time.

It was so good that I even accepted the funa challenge to get out of having to eat seconds of the stuff. BTW: I've tried the funa once, I'm never going to try it again and whenever I look at gold fish from now on, I'm going to think, "You are soft, squishy and nastily sweet!"

chongalice49 wrote:
Are there any grocery stores in Tokyo with Italian products? Things like Italian parsley, pasta sauce, capers, Italian breads, good cured meats, etc.?? Thanks guys!

Fresh herbs? Don't know about in the big cities, but out here stronger herbs like basil are not readily avaliable.
A decent selection of dry herbs can often be found in good sized super markets though. Pasta sauce is easy to get. Some of them (like the sachet stuff in boxes with the katakana names) can be a bit awful, but relatively good stuff can be found in the jars and cans although you might have to search for them (our stores seem to shelve them in a tiny section away from the huge aisle of boxed sauces. Sometimes near the pasta, but sometimes in other more random places only to be moved to another random location the following week). The better stuff costs more.
If you really like your pasta, you'd be better off learning how cook up a basic tomato, carbonara, etc sauce yourself. Pasta is my 2nd favourite lazy food after miso ramen. An onion, some herbs and spices, garlic and a can/carton of chopped or pureed tomato and 20 mins later you've got yourself a nice, cheap and quick sauce.

Dried parmasan is readily avaliable but a couple of our supermarkets also stock tiny blocks of the stuff in the cheese section but they cost a pretty penny. We also have both the soft and wet and the dry and firm varieties of mozarella but once again, these are much more pricey

I've sometimes seen Japanese cured meats and sausages which might be to your taste.

The breads... perhaps they are more readily avaliable in the big cities, but out here they are not so. One of our supermarket bakeries does a plain ciabatta which is pretty good. Otherwise we only have one bakery located on our shotengai that specialises in European breads. They do some excellent stuff but we definately have to pay for it.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2010 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting to see some of the comments on Indian restaurants. I'm not sure sometimes, as unlike Aspara, I haven't been to India, how authentic the Indian food is here. One Indian colleague said that a lot of the Indian restaurants in Tokyo are actually run by Sri Lankans and Nepalis. Most of the curries I have had are adequate for spiciness (compared to what I have eaten outside of Japan), though the amount of meat served is often on the low side (I eat both vegetarian and meat curries). I have had tandoori a handful of times, as well as chipatis and plenty of nan. Some of the nan is seasoned with nuts, but I have never had sweet nan here. I also haven't run into trouble with the cheese used in paneer recipes.

We do, as a few posters already stated, have quite a few Indian residents here (I have some as neighbors living down the street), so it would be surprising to have too many nonauthentic 'Indian' restaurants. Certainly there are some Japanese ones, but they tend to be obvious with Indian curry being only one variety of curry on the menu. I do know that some Nepali and Sri Lankan restaurants do business near my house, though of course you do also have different varieties of Indian food depending on the region. My coworker was surprised that I hadn't seen pumpkin curry prior to coming to Japan as she said it is common in Mumbai/Bombay where she is from.

Some of the Chinese here is more Japanese, but it depends on where you go. Certainly is seems difficult to get real dim sum here, unless you are willing to fork out more for a hotel restaurant or look hard in the China towns in some of the big cities here.
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king kakipi



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I guess I was unlucky re the messy Indian R in Tokyo. I experienced it a few times; always lunches and normally buffets/smorgasboards. Maybe there had been a run just before I got there each time.............
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't do an Indian buffet, but buffets in general are not great if you want fresher and better food.
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Bread



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gaijinalways wrote:
I wouldn't do an Indian buffet, but buffets in general are not great if you want fresher and better food.


But if you eat a viking then you can gain his power.
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
But if you eat a viking then you can gain his power.


You've been in Japan too long, haven't you?
Shocked
The again, you are what you eat. But the Vikings are dead, aren't they? Laughing
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gaijinalways wrote:
I wouldn't do an Indian buffet, but buffets in general are not great if you want fresher and better food.


Depends, I suppose. I go to a really popular Indian vegetarian restaurant on the Chuo line and there are usually so many people there that they sometimes have a hard time keeping up with demand and you have to wait for the next nan/pumpkin masala/navratan korma to arrive. If a place is full of customers then the food is likely to have been very recently prepared.

There's a good one in Shinjuku as well that I sometimes go to- really popular with office workers.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gaijinalways wrote:
Quote:
But if you eat a viking then you can gain his power.


You've been in Japan too long, haven't you?
Shocked
The again, you are what you eat. But the Vikings are dead, aren't they? Laughing


What do you eat?
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Bread



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
gaijinalways wrote:
Quote:
But if you eat a viking then you can gain his power.


You've been in Japan too long, haven't you?
Shocked
The again, you are what you eat. But the Vikings are dead, aren't they? Laughing


What do you eat?


He eats gaijin. ALWAYS
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gaijinalways



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffet

In Japan, a buffet or smorgasbord is known as a viking (バイキング - baikingu). It is said that this originated from the restaurant "Imperial Viking" in the Imperial Hotel, Tokyo, which was the first restaurant in Japan to serve buffet-style meals.


In Sweden they also refer to buffets as 'Vikings' (literally eating in Viking style). Viking used this way is hardly 'regular' English, more like 'Engrish' or just Japlish.


Quote:
What do you eat?


If we're talking about Western food; Italian, French, Spanish, Mexican, and Russian. Non-Western would be Turkish, Pakistani, Indian, Malay, Thai, Taiwanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, Tibetan, Nepalese, and Japanese. My wife and I like a variety of cuisines, and almost all of the above are walking distance from my house (except the Russian, Vietnamese, and Spanish restaurants).

We do buffets sometimes, but I generally don't find the quality to be that great. There are a few exceptions as Aspara noted, but I generally avoid buffets if I want better quality food.
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