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[killian]

does such count as "certified teacher" for teaching abroad purposes?

[Montanaland]

Sure does! ...and congrats!

If I were you I would head to the ME and bank for a couple of yrs while vacationing where ever your heart desires.

[Glenski]

I am not sure. Don't substitute teachers work mostly part-time? What's the difference between your certificate and a full-time teachers teaching license?

[Montanaland]

I'm sorry I didn't read your subject line well enough.


Is it a 4yr or graduate degree that is certified by o.p.i.? If not I'm afraid its useless. Here in MT I can get on the sub list with my business degree...but I make more as a paraprofessional.

[johnslat]

Dear killian,

I believe it will depend on what your state requires for a substitute license. And it can vary considerably from state to state:


Alabama
"Local school district policies generally govern hiring; an applicant must have a high school diploma and a negative TB skin test. Must obtain license from state (about $10). Some systems hold training sessions prior to opening of school year. Local systems set own reimbursement schedule for substitutes; state reimburses local system $35 per day. Not much success recruiting because of low pay and no payroll deduction for part-time. There are no exemplary substitute teacher programs."

Washington

"Recent graduates of teaching programs, who once might have spent a year or two as substitutes, are instead hired directly out of school. Substitutes' pay averages about $100 per day in the region - $12.50 per hour - though it increases with longer-term assignments. One district offered bonus pay for substitutes, giving them $200 extra for every 20 days they work in the district. State guidelines govern the credentials necessary to substitute teach: Substitutes must have a bachelor's degree and a teaching certificate. Substitutes have collective bargaining rights."

Illinois requires a minimum BA, but I don't think a substitute license from that state would be considered as being equal to a regular "certified" license.

http://www.nea.org/home/14813.htm

Regards,
John

[killian]

yes, it can seem unclear. i see lotsa ads specifying "state certified teacher". having a certificate issued from a state does mean i am state certified.

seems clearly in a gray area to me. in my own eyes, i am not a real "certified teacher" but the ads are rife with imprecision and ambiguities.

in illinois, one must provide seal transcripts for a BA or higher and about fifty bucks and a TB clearance.

[Glenski]

Another thing to consider is whether you plan to apply for international school jobs. In Japan (and I presume many other countries), just the certificate/license is not enough. You will also need 2 years of teaching experience in your home country.

[Big Poppa Pump]

In Arizona what sort of classes are these high school graduate substitutes covering? I guess if it is PE that's not too much of a drama, but advanced physics or calculus might represent an issue or two.



Bit frightening to say the least.

Still, Killian, put it on your resume and specify Substitute Teacher.. Couldn't hurt..

[johntpartee]

[robertokun]

Hate to rain on your parade, but having your sub certificate doesn't make you a certified teacher, no matter how you slice it. It just means you're eligible to be a sub. If you're looking for jobs in China or wherever else you might as well try to pass it off as if you were, though. If you get called out on it, who cares. If you don't you might score a decent job.

http://www.isbe.state.il.us/

[johnslat]

Dear robertokun,


Actually, that depends on what state you get your substitute certificate from - as noted in my post above:

Washington:

"Substitutes must have a bachelor's degree and a teaching certificate. Substitutes have collective bargaining rights."

Regards,
John

[SandyG20]

My state is Indiana - a sub license is available for anyone who has a high school diploma or ged and clear cbc - and pays for the sub license and cbc.

I am a licensed teacher - 4 year bachelor - did the field experience and student teaching - lots and lots of lesson plans and extras - besides the many many classes.

In most states a sub license does not make you a certified teacher.

However that piece of paper can't hurt to show for some jobs overseas - it just depends on the school and job.

Some schools won't understand the difference in the licenses.

However many schools will know the difference.

[robertokun]

[killthebuddha]

I was surprised to hear from an agency in Taiwan that a "temporary" cert. qualified. It was from Florida ( ) where that's a prerequisite to one method of hiring. (Many states employ this contingency...they check the strength of your degree in the subject area and also conduct the criminal background check. No surprise then? that Taiwan said the temporary cert. counted??) I don't know what comparable measures / considerations are involved in the issuance of the sub. cert.

ktb

[naturegirl321]