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Using one of the big 4 for a reference for a job in the U.S.

 
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Billy Chaka



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2004 11:42 pm    Post subject: Using one of the big 4 for a reference for a job in the U.S. Reply with quote

I'll be coming to Tokyo in early May to work for an English conversation school (one of the big 4). I'm absolutely certain that I want to stay a maximum of 1 year. I'll try to do my best for my employer, finish my one-year contract (hopefully) and return to the U.S.A. When I return to the U.S.A. I want to look for some sort of training position (I've had computer-related jobs in the past, so probably a software training position. I'm hoping that the job market will have picked up here a year from now.) My question is this:

Has anyone ever used one of the big 4 (or any other teaching post in Japan) as a reference for a job back in the U.S.A.? I mean have you ever given a potential employer in the U.S.A. the name and address of a co-worker or a supervisor from a job you held in Japan, and did it work out OK? I'm just concerned that my disappearing from the country for a year could hurt me. I want to use the year as an advantage if possible, by providing a potential employer in the U.S.A. evidence of a positive work history.

Please let me know what you think.
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tokyorabbit



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 3:30 am    Post subject: reference Reply with quote

Good thread.

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soylentgreen23



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2004 11:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want a good reference, make sure that you do a really good job of getting students to renew their contracts. I wasn't so hot on the salesmanship when I worked there (I was naive and felt that a teacher's job was merely to teach), and although I worked the entire notice period (four months - I didn't like the company and officially resigned after two months, staying for six in total), my reference wasn't one I felt I could ever use.

Although it didn't overtly say I was a bad employee, it was an object lesson in the use of modifiers - I was listed as being "quite" good at my job, with "reasonable" renewal figures, and so on and so forth.

Perhaps it has more to do with my leaving before the year was up, but I felt the reference was an unnecessary slight.

(For what it's worth, all of this happened more than a year ago, and now that I'm stuck in England working for Currys, I've decided TEFL might be worth another shot, and I've applied for a CELTA course).
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GambateBingBangBOOM



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:02 am    Post subject: Re: Using one of the big 4 for a reference for a job in the Reply with quote

Billy Chaka wrote:
I'm absolutely certain that I want to stay a maximum of 1 year. I'll try to do my best for my employer, finish my one-year contract (hopefully) and return to the U.S.A.

Has anyone ever used one of the big 4 (or any other teaching post in Japan) as a reference for a job back in the U.S.A.? I mean have you ever given a potential employer in the U.S.A. the name and address of a co-worker or a supervisor from a job you held in Japan, and did it work out OK?
Please let me know what you think.


If you break a contract, then don't expect a glowing reference.
Contract: This is what I ***WILL*** do.

It is NOT: "This is what I will hopefully do, unless something better comes along, or I get bored or something".

If you do not break your contract then you shouldn't have any problems, but the letter may just say that you worked for Xcompany for the duration of your contract and that your employment record with Company X is good.

That should be fine, especially considering that most employers don't care much for letters of reference (they can easily be forged, or altered with an OCR scan) and would prefer to call a company for a reference, but they will likely not call your school in Japan because 1. that's not a free call and 2. the time difference means that a potential employer would have to call outside of regular business hours State-side.
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