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Japan's new education model: India
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prlester



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The degrees don't speacialize because they would have more trouble finding visa sponsorship in the U.S. A large part of India's education system is geared to feeding workers to the West. When my profession changed to a doctorate, India immediately followed suite when other countries, like Australia, stayed at the masters.
Hindu culture stresses socio-economic advancement at the expense of the liberal arts. "logic and open debate?", whoever said that is not familiar with Hindu culture. My Hindu coworkers don't even have a the originality to crack or understand jokes. Logic, opinions have no place with this population set; it's strictly sucking up to the boss and peeing on the inferiors. Success, as measured in degrees, is all that matters--even financial success is secondary (though that's part of the equation). There are literally tens of workers from India in my company. They don't complain, don't read books, don't look at art. Adjusted for purchasing power, they only make 20% more here then back home; it's all about the petite middle-class prestige.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okonomiyaki wrote:


Japanese students typically go to day school and then a cram school at night, doing rote memorization of Kanji amongst other things. They work HARD, and in my experience are worked to the point of exhaustion.


I am fairy serious about lifting weights, and have fought MMA matches before. The biggest thing I see in Japan is over-training, overtraining in everything. You can actually get tot the point where you can make yourself weaker from working out. Same with studying, and the Japanese over study which prolly makes them worse at learning. Stimulate not annihilate.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rxk22 wrote:
I am fairy serious about lifting weights, and have fought MMA matches before. The biggest thing I see in Japan is over-training, overtraining in everything. You can actually get tot the point where you can make yourself weaker from working out. Same with studying, and the Japanese over study which prolly makes them worse at learning. Stimulate not annihilate.
I'm not really sure if they over-study or not. I've taught in a private JHS/SHS for a few years and now teach in university.

For the past few years, Japanese scores on English, math, science, Japanese and Chinese languages have all been going down. Now, one would think that with cram schools around, this shouldn't be the case, or that because of cram schools tiring students out, this is the reason for it. Not all kids attend cram schools. Families just can't afford it. ($10,000-15,000 per year according to this site --> http://factsanddetails.com/japan.php?itemid=832&catid=23&subcatid=150 )

How many do? I don't know.


More here on cram schools from the business side of things.
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/ek20050728a1.html

If they are so tuckered out from club activities, late night studying at home and juku, and if public schools still require a 6-day school week twice a month, why doesn't Japan change its system for the better? I think it simply does not know how, and that its own culture is getting in the way of progress.

If you talk only about English language teaching, that's complicated by the way Japanese teachers "teach", which varies considerably from elementary to junior high to (gulp!) high school. No wonder the kids aren't learning! It's just not expected of them to be communicative.
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Cool Teacher



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that Japan did really well for a time but maybe when a country gets so rich that most people have comfortable lives then maybe the purpose of studying so hard disappears so instead children in Japan are simply going through the motions of studying but without the motivation.

I don't blame them who wants to work as many hours as so many of these kids do? Confused Not me! Shocked Wink

As for India this generation knows that education is an important step for getting out of poverty and making their lives better. In a generation or two when more people in India are rich the kids will start getting a bit spoiled and soon maybe they will go the same way as the Japanese now. Or maybe they will go the way of the west and think that university is a place to waste time making up pointelss theories abot litereature. Wink

Actually I used to work at a call centre and some of the work was outsourced to India. When I read the notes by the English employees it was usually very sloppy with spelling mistakes, bad grammar bad punctuation and difficult to understand shortened words but the notes that were written in India were usually very good with much better English than the English the English wrote. Very Happy In fact, maybe an Indian writing this would say that their notes were "impeccable". Very Happy

I suppose that's more to do with the fact that people who need to have high standards will do that. So, if you think about it with so many people in India it is really important to impress the people you work for and to be competitive. But in England I think if someone said to a person working there, "Could you try to write better Englsih please. I can't read this" maybe the worker there would say, "Oh F@*;#in' 'ell, mate what's the problem? Don't have a go at me about a bleedin' spellin' mistake. I bet your perfect aren't you?" with sarcasm. So the boss usually has to just either put up with that until eventually all the jobs get outsourced to India where people will work better for a lower wage. Shocked Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
rxk22 wrote:
I am fairy serious about lifting weights, and have fought MMA matches before. The biggest thing I see in Japan is over-training, overtraining in everything. You can actually get tot the point where you can make yourself weaker from working out. Same with studying, and the Japanese over study which prolly makes them worse at learning. Stimulate not annihilate.
I'm not really sure if they over-study or not. I've taught in a private JHS/SHS for a few years and now teach in university.

For the past few years, Japanese scores on English, math, science, Japanese and Chinese languages have all been going down. Now, one would think that with cram schools around, this shouldn't be the case, or that because of cram schools tiring students out, this is the reason for it. Not all kids attend cram schools. Families just can't afford it. ($10,000-15,000 per year according to this site --> http://factsanddetails.com/japan.php?itemid=832&catid=23&subcatid=150 )

How many do? I don't know.


More here on cram schools from the business side of things.
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/ek20050728a1.html

If they are so tuckered out from club activities, late night studying at home and juku, and if public schools still require a 6-day school week twice a month, why doesn't Japan change its system for the better? I think it simply does not know how, and that its own culture is getting in the way of progress.

If you talk only about English language teaching, that's complicated by the way Japanese teachers "teach", which varies considerably from elementary to junior high to (gulp!) high school. No wonder the kids aren't learning! It's just not expected of them to be communicative.


True, a lot of kids do almost nothing. I do think that the motivated kids get drowned in the system. Between clubs/sports and Juku it makes a terrible life. No free time, or time to relax.

Not that it was the best book ever, but Dogs and Demons does point out how Japan seems to be unabl to make good decisions. Too many changes and no backbone have made the schools wishy washy and worthless.
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