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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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Lookin4Gud
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:57 am Post subject: |
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Thank you everyone, once again.
I saw that Stephen Jones and others were apparently discussing getting a visa processed while in a 3rd country:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=74449
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It can be done, but is a considerable inconvenience for the employer. What generally happens is that the employer is given a block visa for so many positions for a particular nationality, and that visa is kept at the Saudi Consulate in the appropriate country. When you are given a position they give you a letter to take to that consulate with a number that reduces that block visa by one position.
To issue the visa from a third country requires the Saudi Foreign Office to call it in and then reissue it to another consulate (and that consulate may have its own rules). This can take time.
Some employers manage to do it differently. KFUPM manages to move visas around with little difficulty (I got mine from Colombo in Sri Lanka with no problem) but that may be because the Ministry of Higher Education works to a different system. |
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| If it is done it is only because some employer has "wasta" up the ying yang. No idea what would happen if anyone ever cross-referenced the dates on the visas against visits to your home country. |
I'm sorry but you might find it useful to research what you're talking about before you mouth off.
There is a perfectly legitimate procedure for transferring one of the positions from a block visa to another Saudi Consulate. It is time consuming as the position has to be recalled to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs at Riyadh and then reassigned, but perfectly legal. The visa will of course be issued from the country you applied for it at; your home country will have nothing to do with it.
I believe the procedure is slightly different, and easier, for positions that go through the Ministry of Higher Education, which seems to be all government university positions. It is however perfectly legal. |
I do not fully understand all the above, nor all the rules, laws or processes, and would like to know, is it valid and legal to convert an already issued business visa to an employee visa while in a 3rd country, employing "wasta" or otherwise? |
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scot47
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| Why don't you just apply to a legitimate employer and take your chances ? You seem to be obsessed with getting here by trickery and deceit. |
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Cleopatra
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| If you're so interested in Saudi law, why not try to contact a Saudi lawyer? It might be a better plan than sending out the same PM to half the people on this forum, and then re-posting it here. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Lookin4Gud wrote: |
| I do not fully understand all the above, nor all the rules, laws or processes, and would like to know, is it valid and legal to convert an already issued business visa to an employee visa while in a 3rd country, employing "wasta" or otherwise? |
I really fail to see what you are obsessing about. You are not going to change any visa to any other visa. It would be done by an employer. As has been stated, you either choose to only work for an employer who provides a normal legal visa and iqama... or you choose not to.
None of us here can know the ability of an unnamed employer to make your questioned changes.
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Lookin4Gud
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2010 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Checking with a lawyer sounds like a good idea, I hope I can get to one or someone who does know. Thank you everyone for your willingness to reply. |
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billings
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Obviously, you are working on a business visa BUT you would be paid by a company OUTSIDE K.S.A.!! - at least theoretically!!
British Council frequently flaunt this rule and bring teachers out on a business visa for three months while changing it to a work visa!! |
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Kornan DeKobb
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:39 am Post subject: |
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Once you are here and prove your worth and the university/institute wants to keep you, they will get you a proper work visa.
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Can that be done without one having to return to one's passport country? |
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sheikher
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| Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:38 am Post subject: |
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It is impossible while within Saudi Arabia to change a business visit visa into an employment entry visa (Ministry of Foreign Affairs' embassy after approval from Ministry of Labor) -- because you've already entered -- and then within 90 days after arrival receive a residence permit known as an Iqama (from the Ministry of Interior).
Health and police checks, and transcripts verification, are required for an employment entry visa from the Saudi embassy. Those of course must be done outside of Saudi Arabia. The health check involves a signature from the doctor plus the medical profession's governing body. The police check must be done by constabulary representing the country of the job applicant's passport. Transcript verifications are conducted by the embassies. |
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JerkyBoy
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| trapezius wrote: |
If you are hired on a business visa from Saudi, and you decide to come, you have to come here and work on that visa, there is no other option. Yes, it is illegal to work on a business visa, but as many people have said, thousands of business visas are given out each year for this purpose as it is easy for companies to get a business visa for new employees. Once you are here and prove your worth and the university/institute wants to keep you, they will get you a proper work visa.
I have heard of no government 'raid' anywhere, to catch people working on business visas. The government turns a complete blind eye to it, and is a safe option from that point of view. However, from the benefits and job security point of view, the only good/acceptable option is a work visa.
You choose. |
But what about if you don't choose?
Say, for example, that you are bottom-feeder ... you have BA + CELTA but no Middle-East experience and no MA.
There are lots of warnings on here to go the direct hire route but it seems to me that those like me can only work for recruiters illegally, in the hope that they eventually dish out the work visa.
If we want to come to KSA, we are at their mercy, no?
I guess it's better not to complain too much and to smile a lot. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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Smile and nod... and hope for the best. Very very low expectations helps.
It is all about your tolerance level.
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JerkyBoy
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the tip.
Is it OK to expect to get paid? That is after all my primary concern. |
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