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Probationary periods, a one way street?
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kda213



Joined: 08 Mar 2010
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i did go about it the right way, and they still tried to make it as difficult as possible.

regardless, this was my experience and the experience of several other people i know, so it's not completely wrong. if it was completely wrong, then what i said would be completely untrue, and it's not.

so allow me to rephrase, IN MY EXPERIENCE it is not easy to leave during the probation period and contracts don't seem to hold much weight based on what i have read. also, if you do leave and the school has paid for all of your visa materials, it doesn't seem out of line for them to charge you for them, and in my case they did. just something to think about. no need to be harsh.
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igorG



Joined: 10 Aug 2010
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Location: asia

PostPosted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In fact, this above is why some FTs run without notices.

7969 wrote:
kda213 wrote:
HiddenTreasure wrote:
kda213 wrote:
regardless of whether or not you sign a contract, or if you're in the probation period, if you let the school know you're leaving they'll likely make you pay them back for visas, health checks, etc and will make it difficult for you to go


Completely wrong and self-based. Please speak only for your own experience; because I can state first-hand that it's not true (for me).


A bit unfair for you to say I'm completely wrong! This can happen, it has happen, and it did in fact happen to me. I find it hard to believe that if the school has paid for and sorted out all of the documents that go into your working visa and everything has been processed they will not charge you for the expenses if you leave, even if it is during the probation period.

That being said, I'm glad for you that you had a more pleasant experience leaving during the probation period, but please refrain from discounting my experience as I don't think it's terribly unique.

it's not unfair and he's not wrong. your first post in this thread reads:

kda213 wrote:
regardless of whether or not you sign a contract, or if you're in the probation period, if you let the school know you're leaving they'll likely make you pay them back for visas, health checks, etc and will make it difficult for you to go


this is misleading. there are no absolutes in this country so if what you wrote above was YOUR experience at some point in time, then you should make that clear. many others have totally different experiences.

everything varies in china, from school to school, city to city, province to province. generally speaking, if you go about it (announce your intention to leave during probationary period) properly and respectfully then your chances of having difficulties are exponentially less.
I really think we are having issues on. It does seems we speak for others too, and that possibly to get our points accross as strongly as we can. There are facts supported by our experiences and probably by experiences of our current or former coworkers and friends, which may or may not be as believable to reads on. Then, there is some "knowledge" we get from others on line, which may not always be the best fact to fight for. Agreeably, there are no absolutes in this country, and then what we write on isn't as easy to trust either. China truly offers a large variety of standards, regulations or expectations from locals from province to province, city to city and even employer to employer. However, if we want readers to believe that the local employers are professional, then we are liers, aren't we?
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JohnnyTrippia



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Ki"]Thank yourself lucky you did NOT get the job for the school which said you would be difficult. More like they would be a difficult employer. If you are confident of your abilities then get a 90 day tourist visa (if allowed) and just don't hand over your passport to them for a week or two until you are certain they are good for you. It will take a week just to get your health check sorted out anyway. You may end up working for free but you could always search on the ground for a better position once you are here. Once you find that ideal position though keep it. Don't *beep* around.

I interviewed for a part time job the other day. It was great. They loved me. I loved them. Then I saw the contract. If I am sick twice in a month (even with a valid excuse) they can deduct my entire month's pay. They can fire me at any time with any excuse but I am not allowed to leave for any reason or any excuse (unless they don't pay me).

Some contracts are merely bad. Others are to be avoided at all costs.[/quote]
I'm new here but if I may intercede. 'I knew you would be difficult' might be taken out of context. Maybe she meant 'difficult to screw over' but who knows.
There are good schools and bad schools. There are good teachers and bad teachers ..
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igorG



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's a "good school"? Wouldn't the answer have to do with how professional its ownership and management are, and then what quality is/are its product (s)? Wouldn't the answer include recruiting techniques of its employees and students, and then how the school treats and supports them all? Just look areound and see the leaders' offices and how they go about business on day to day basis. Ask about their background, and if you can, how they have got to their offices. From these offices move on to the teachers offices and observe futher. See how local schools handle their hirings, employee training, workshops and evaluations, and then how they go about their daily operations. Take a good look at their course books and suplementary materials.

So, a "good school" to a mainlander is usually not a "good school" to a foreigner from a developed country, is it? If China is really developing so fast, why are so many schools so behind? One party, one way, and that's what it's all about in this country, isn't it?
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mat chen



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So now u know why so many Chinese kids are checking into the hotel california.
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