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[The Great Wall of Whiner]

About this thread: I think we need to get back to talking about the issues in the thread and less on talking about the personalities in the thread as it is an important thing for all of us to know and discuss.

To answer one question, 'FOB' means 'fresh off the boat'. An example of this would be someone walking around Shanghai looking up and around everywhere in awe, confusion, or interest. Locals tend to simply go to their destination. I'm pretty good at spotting locals vs. non-locals anywhere.

Another thing regarding the original question (and thus attempting to pull this topic back to it's original intent), you need to have some ties or some purpose to be in China for a longer period of time than a usual tourist. If you are planning to tour around China and feel 30 days is not enough time, this needs to be explained to them. But I will point out that different provinces have different ways about doing things. The nation as a whole is not uniform in any regulations and/or laws as different provinces and indeed different cities seem to apply the laws/rules/regulations differently.

About nationality: I think it doesn't really matter. Americans, South Africans, Canadians, Irish, British, New Zealanders, Australians... as far as I know are all pretty much equal in terms of travelling rights in China. So, as per his nationality (being from one of those countries which does not need to be mentioned unless it's something radically rare such as Barbados or Jamaica) I understand his viewpoint on this issue.

I don't see South Africans any different from Canadians or Americans or Irish born bi-lingual. And as I said before, nationality means little from any of these countries in the eyes of the law of the land, as far as I know.

[living&learning]

[Paul D.]

And what might that decorum be?

A picture/avatar/message speaks a thousand words. Shiner, jumped, attacked?? Why?

Why is it that if someone types something that another/others doesn't/don't agree with that person is deemed a Troll?

In my opinion, it is naive to think that we foreigners are all in the same boat together. TW's situation awhile back springs to mind. Sleuthing?

As they love to say here in China - there are 2 sides to every coin.

On topic - has the OP considered the possibility that if he exits China with the passport that has the RP in 1/11, gets a 6 month tourist visa in SA while home, just before he returns, re-enters China with his older passport, the visa in the new passport will probably need to be "used" within 3 months/90 days. As far as I know, L-visas must be used within a certain amount of time. Assuming he waits 3 months, he'll have to exit China around May with the old passport and then re-enter with the new one. Perhaps it can be done. But, I don't think he could travel for 6 months after his contract is over. Assuming his university job ends around 7/1/11, he would only have 3 months to travel.

Does anyone follow my logic? I'm certainly confused.

As for nationality being an issue - the way I read it, the original question pertained to visas and certain nationalities only being allowed to purchase longer L-visas in HK. It had nothing to do with traveling in China. The OP clearly typed that he wanted to travel in China for 4 to 6 months after his contract was up, but since his nationality is treated differently in HK visa offices the only way he could travel in China for a few months, rather than 2 weeks, was to fly home and apply for an L-visa.

So, nationality is relevant. I agree with another contributor and assume the PSB have computers that will point out that someone already has a valid visa/RP in his name under a certain passport number. I'm not sure about SA, but when I got a new passport, it had a new number. My logic may be off, but I think there is a reason for the photo.

I guess my eyes and mind aren't that bad after 6+ years in China; 7 reading Dave's.


Either way, Good Luck!

[Cairnsman]

TGWoC wrote, "About nationality: I think it doesn't really matter. Americans, South Africans, Canadians, Irish, British, New Zealanders, Australians... as far as I know are all pretty much equal in terms of travelling rights in China."

Whereas the OP wrote, "BTW, I can't get a decent length business or tourist visa in HK (60/90/180 days), as per my nationality. U get, like 14 days."

The OP also stated that he has 2 concurrent passports and I was curious as to what country allows their nationals to hold 2 concurrent passports because . . . as far as I know, Americans, Canadians, Irish, British, New Zealanders, Australians cannot.

[Paul D.]

"it shows in their simpleton reply and THEIR lack of knowledge on visas et al. I suspect their stay in China will be short, unpleasant and they will struggle to make friends with their unpleasant, suspicious attitude."


May I beg to differ? If someone who claims to have been in China for 2+ years needs to ask such a question and then smuggly retort that the Chinese Consulate in his hometown said it was Ok, why ask on this forum?

As for the attitude permeating throughout all of certain folks posts, it is definitely unpleasant. If you'd like to meet face-to-face, I'll really tell you what I think.

Brutish typographical/physical behavior is not the cultural norm in China. No wonder you're going home so soon, Boss with money. I guess the ladies you beat realized you weren't either.

I may have lost count because my sleuthish ways are diminishing with age, but, allow me to list a few of the physical situtations you have so elocuently complained about on this board -

2/08 - Black eye. Why?

4/08 - Jumped in Xiamen by some of the "ren/people". Why?

???? - Supposedly crazy "friend" who camped out on your balcony after threatening you with a knife. Why? Better yet, why call the cops? I'd fathom you hit her and then....she cleaned the kitchen.

Recently - attacked by a student?

"Fun with Steak"? I type your avatar sums it up - brutish behavior attracts similar behavior.

The way I see it, you haven't had a pleasant time and blame the people for your misfortune. Perhaps your actions contributed to the way they reacted to your abusive attitude? Whenever you want to meet "face-to-face", let me know you swarmy SOB.

Fortunately for you, certain folk crave having a "member" from a place that most who read this board aren't from. I'm sure the GW is proud of his dismal hourly salary. Why he promotes the "fact" that a part-time job at his school pays 5k for 11 hours while he earns 13k for 32 hours a month is beyond the realm of my imagination. Do the math.

Just like you, he experienced a significant change in salary along the way. 18k/16k??? Hot air.

I won't get into the numbers, but, I once stayed at a mountain top inn in Dali recommended by someone who frequents this board. It wasn't bad, but, I guess we're not on the same page because I like to have heating in my room. On the other hand, there is nothing like communing around a wood burning furnace shivering. That was the warmest part of the trip. The electric blankets didn't work because I was in China.

After freezing my ass off, I checked out the next day. Li Ping did serve a nice omelette. Some folk have certain standards though. I'm not a ruffian.

Either way, Adios. See you on the other side.

PD

Quite frankly, I think therefore I am. - Descartes

Beem me up Darth Vader. Welcome to the other side. Blaze of Glory!

Yunqi, Wonderful Yunqi, Tessio, Uncle Vinnie, Sugar Candy Mountain, Sugar Magnolia, LoPresto, Jeremiah, Lamentations, The Revealer et al.

The Messenger to the message.

PS - What really cracks my boat is that around 6 months ago "The Revealer" basically typed that someone should give up their dream of "teaching" in China because based on what a certain member typed they were "offered" a job and then didn't hear from the school again. If I remeber what I typed correctly, I basically typed that the school found someone who was more acceptable. The next thing that happened - The Revealer is a troll. Just a few days ago, our friend mentioned that they finally received the papers but for a different job. I may be crazy, but, it seems to me that most of the posts to her recent topic say the same thing I said 6 weeks ago - forget abouth this job and wait till next term. Go figure.

Bob Jones

[living&learning]

Go Pinky Paul, Super Sleuth, go!

We need you for amusement on the slightly boring days.

"Uncovering Foreigners' Lies Since God Knows Whenever, Even If They Weren't Lies" - nice motto, Pinky Dinky. Keep trucking buddy.

Edit: kinda sweet having a sleuth hunting me on the boards, innit.

[xiao51]

[The Great Wall of Whiner]

Yes, please do the math Paul D.

I shouldn't even have to justify my salary to you nor should I have to hold your hand through an explanation. Again.

5k a month at 11 hours a week. That's 4,400 RMB for a stretch of 28 days, and because not all months have 28 days (most in fact do not) the odds of you working one extra day in that month (add another 400-600 depending on the make up of the month) is in fact about 5k a month.

Super sleuthing would also uncover the fact that I mentioned I QUIT my morning classes. So instead of working a 40 some-odd work week, I only work a 30 some-odd work week. So at 100 an hour in a small city, I think I'm still doing 'ok' at 12000-14000 RMB depending on the month.

Yes, a lot of hours, but that is my choice to make, and not everyone came here to simply 'work' which I acknowledge. But seeing as I have a wife and daughter, a little hard-work to give them the things in life I would like to give them seems reasonable.

Look, all these 'attacks' on people is uncalled for and in fact insulting, given both the rules of the forum and the fact that you are intentionally going out of your way to ridicule people and using such inciting language best described as 'brutish'.

And threatening people, challenging people to fights on-line, attacking someone's avatar which is clearly meant as funny....using such language as 'sob' and attacking someone based on their nationality is completely out of line. Before you call others 'brutish' please re-consider what you have written.