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fladude



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:00 pm    Post subject: Written Instructions seemd to Work Reply with quote

Well some of you may remember the Christian fundamentalist/ native student that I had. I had a problem getting her to write about current event topics outside of her church. Well today I gave her the same assignment but with written instructions which specifically listed the only topics that she could write about. I read the instructions out loud to the class. She complained... but followed the instructions.

I'm not sure why the written instructions worked when the verbal instructions had failed, but for some reason it did. Maybe she just doesn't understand me. Its certainly possible that all this time we have just had a communication issue. I know that I should have given written instructions on day one, but current events just seemed so obvious to me....

Anyway written instructions.... people from different backgrounds may understand them better than oral instructions.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simple but brilliant!

I've always given my feedback on presentations in writing (though I might hit a few highlights orally right after the presentation) because I find it increases understanding dramatically (shows up in future presentations).

I give instructions orally, but also sometimes write them on the board while students are getting started or making plans - just to be sure they understand. Depends on the students, level, and complexity of task.

No reason not to give them both channels of communication.

I think it's interesting that none of us considered that she simply might not understand entirely - or that she might consider the written words more authoritative somehow than spoken instructions. I'd be curious what you think made the difference in this case...
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fladude



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm really not sure why the written word worked when the spoken did not, but you do raise a good point. Perhaps the fact that the instructions were in writing made them hold more authority to her (like the Bible I suppose). I had tried writing part of the instructions on the board in the past, but it may be that she felt there was some wiggle room there. This time I wrote a very detailed list of instructions. I told her that she "must write about politics, business/economics, entertainment or sports." She honed in on the words "must" She said, "it MUST be about?" And I told her that yes it "MUST" be about one of those topics. She did not like it, but she complied.

She wrote a current event about a suspected terrorist who had been caught and released in the UK. She expressed the opinion that she thought it was crazy that he was being released. She might still be a bit "Fox Newsish" in her world view, but at least she wasn't writing about church.

I am going to call this one a success, at least for today.... Very Happy
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artemisia



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to read about this Fladude. Yes, it is interesting that none of us considered it might be a basic comprehension problem. Like Spiral, I often follow up written instructions. Even if students really do understand they often like the security of reading as well as hearing what they need to do. Also interesting the bit about the 'authority' of the written word.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had thought you gave written and verbal instructions for this very reason. Have had many cases of the same sort of confusion, even with fairly high level students.

Now we'll just have to see if she complains and disregards your complete instructions in the future.
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fladude



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
I had thought you gave written and verbal instructions for this very reason.
I may have been a little confusing on that. I did write the subject areas that she was supposed to write about on the board along with some general instructions, like "write 2 paragraphs, 1 fact/ 1 opinion" and then listed the allowed subjects. But I never gave detailed instructions. The detailed written instructions went step by step and included the word "must." As I said, she honed in on the word "must" and it seemed to make a difference to her.

I guess she thought the topics I had put on the board were merely suggestions........ /no clue.
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mimi_intheworld



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's kind of fantastic and an apparently simple fix. I'm going to take that away as a little piece of wisdom to remember when I get to my next placement. Thanks for the update, fladude!
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fladude



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This story seems to get stranger and stranger. Tonight after school the girls mother came in for parent teacher conferences, and I decided to broach the church subject (brave I know). Anyway, the mother ended up asking me for advice about how I could help her get her daughter away from her church group. Apparently she recently started going to a Southern Baptist missionary church on her own, or probably through the suggestion of others..... I guess I'm not the only one who thinks she has a problem......

I had assumed the family would all be church zealots but apparently that is far from the truth. I actually think it was one of the teachers at the school who got her so involved in what is clearly a cult like church group. I think that I'm going to talk to the principle about it, although that teacher no longer works here.

Anyway I'm glad to learn that I'm not the only person
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Von Dut



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing I have noticed here in China that when speaking (the same words their Chinese teacher uses) they tend to not understand the pronunciation. Maybe it's just them being lazy but I can say something and get blank looks from my students or write it on the board and most understand. They are brought up reading and writing more than speaking.

Back when I was taking my TESOL course one of the things we were taught was to write down, to a certain degree, things you say like instructions. I know it's helped my in my few years here.

Good advice though. Thank you!!

Now if only the chalk didn't dry my hand so bad...
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scot47



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My students are absolutely hopeless about following instructions. No matter how often I bark at them about "READ THE INSTRUCTIONS", they never do !