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[DixieCat]

[Teatime of Soul]

Understand that different provinces use different forms.

But in all cases, the red stamp of the school is required.

You best recourse is going to the PSB or education officials and asking them to compel the school to issue the letter.

Actually, its is more of a face thing, rather than the law (which does require the school to write the letter) that will probably work.

That's my advice on how to attempt to solve the matter in what I'd consider an adult, professional manner.

I'll let others share their expertise on forging school documents for the government. That's not something I'd contemplate or advocate.

[HiddenTreasure]

[Cousin Vinnie]

I think a key question which hasn't been asked is - how many jobs in China has "eslteach" had and whether he was a teacher in his home country?

If only 1, I wouldn't list the school on my resume, which I don't consider Fraud. In the past I had several different jobs working in hotels, restaurants and delivering pizza; they aren't listed on my resume now.

But, they were when I 1st applied for a teaching job in China. At that time, only 2 years of general work experience was required. Now, 2 years of "teaching experience" is required, at least according to the law.

If this is his 1st teaching job ever, Fraud may be called for with a creative resume. Ideally, he worked as a teacher somewhere else before, perhaps Korea.

Back to my initial question - if "eslteach" has other China jobs listed on his resume he will still have a problem because the PSB will want to see the Release Letter from that school, whenever he worked there.

I still have copies of older Release Letters, but the PSB wants the original, chopped/stamped with fresh ink, as far as I know.

[xiao51]

Teatime of Soul is probably the most accurate, IMHO, in his assessment of things here.

First, things have changed in the PRC. Now all information for the local FEB's is entered into a centralized computer system. It is practically impossible to hide anything, i.e., place of employment, dates, etc., the proviso, however, being that the local FEB is somewhat thorough when it is issues the new FEC, which is often far from the case. This is China, in the end.

Next, there is a standardized form in place, that is true; it is often officially required and yet there are myriad exceptions made to the rule, myriad. Again this is China.

An employer in China is not duty-bound to provide a letter of recommendation; they are, HOWEVER, under all circumstances, duty-bound and legally required to provide a letter of release. This letter of release, actually, can be separate of the form required above. And both the PSB and the Foreign Expert Bureaus actually can legally intervene in this matter. The letter of release need say nothing more than "no more professional relationship exists between Party A and Party B" as of such-and-such date.

So all of the spiel around here but circumventing the system, well, guys, since the Olympics, they are very computer-savvy around here. Don't be naive for a minute.

[The Great Wall of Whiner]

I second-guessed my advice so I did some research. After a few hours of careful reading from both sides of the debate, the pros vastly outweigh the cons. For this reason I still agree with the expert advice from countless advice gurus who are far more qualified and experienced than I am on these matters:

[HiddenTreasure]

[Cousin Vinnie]

It's true - I'm on my way to dream land.

Utopia = a place I can go without any questions.

Sleep tight and pleasant dreams.

Yunqi

[DixieCat]

[DixieCat]

[ymmv]

[eslteach]

[7969]

that's how "REAL" teachers write

[HiddenTreasure]

[HiddenTreasure]