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ForbiddenDonut
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 Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 6:57 am Post subject: Maximizing earning potential |
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Hey, whats up everyone? Before I start: The search just brought up a white screen when I tried using it, sorry if you're sick of the topic.
I visited China a few months ago and absolutely loved it. I�m looking to head over and teach there, and had a question about earning potential.
I'll be going for a Masters degree in the near future and need to save a bit of cash, which is why I�m asking. I know some will say to go to Korea for the money, the thing is I�ve just left from there not too long ago and would prefer to not go back there. It was rather unpleasant.
Basically, I�d like to know how one can maximize their earning ability there?
Find one school that would offer me a ton of hours? Juggle 2 or 3 part-time gigs? A low-hours visa-provider w/ tons of privates?
I don�t mind teaching a lot of hours. In Korea the standard was 30 hours/week, which I know is a lot compared to China. For a small portion of the time I was actually teaching about 40! (by choice, it was tiring but good $) I would, of course, rather find a combination of least hours for the most salary. What would you recommend?
Is saving $1000US/month doable? Or would getting the hours/schedule needed to do so be difficult to obtain? Am I better off going elsewhere?
BTW, I have a degree and 2 years of teaching experience, in case that helps to answer the questions
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7969
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| one suggestion: get a university job at 14-16 hours per week and about 5000-600RMB / month (give or take) and to supplement that either ask your school about the possibility of overtime there and/or line up a couple of part time jobs outside. either way, you can up your earnings to about 8000-10000 / month and out of that you could save more than half of it. |
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Mister Al
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| I would say definitely a low hours with Residency Permit is the best approach to maximising income potential, but you need to be confident of getting the privates or pt work with other employers (both of which are illegal, BTW). Having a good resume and/or a good reputation obviously helps with that but both can take time to get. You have the minimum 'official' qualifications and experience to be employed in China legally but don't let that deter you from following my suggestion. It's all doable here especially saving USD1000 a month, but by going down my route it might take a while to get to that level of savings. Since you have never worked in China perhaps the safest option for the first year would be to try to find a school that gives you a good basic income and can offer you lots of OT. TBH, it's not easy to choose as you could get lucky doing any of your choices, or indeed unlucky. Money isn't everything when it comes to taking a job. Whatever you choose, good luck anyway. |
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7969
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| Mister Al wrote: |
| I would say definitely a low hours with Residency Permit is the best approach to maximising income potential, but you need to be confident of getting the privates or pt work with other employers (both of which are illegal, BTW). |
mister al, they're only "illegal" if your contract expressly prohibits them. i've noticed that a growing number of schools (including ours) have changed the wording of the contract clause regarding part time work to:
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| in principle Party B is not encouraged to take any other part time jobs unrelated to this position in XXXXXX university. But if really necessary to take part time jobs then Party B should inform Party A of this and declare in written form that any activities taking place during part time work are the responsibility of Party B. |
if anyone is presented with a contract that says otherwise then its not impossible to negotiate a change to that clause. if that fails, and you still want to do part time work then do what many other people do. |
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crashintheriver
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| 7969 wrote: |
| Mister Al wrote: |
| I would say definitely a low hours with Residency Permit is the best approach to maximising income potential, but you need to be confident of getting the privates or pt work with other employers (both of which are illegal, BTW). |
mister al, they're only "illegal" if your contract expressly prohibits them. i've noticed that a growing number of schools (including ours) have changed the wording of the contract clause regarding part time work to:
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| in principle Party B is not encouraged to take any other part time jobs unrelated to this position in XXXXXX university. But if really necessary to take part time jobs then Party B should inform Party A of this and declare in written form that any activities taking place during part time work are the responsibility of Party B. |
if anyone is presented with a contract that says otherwise then its not impossible to negotiate a change to that clause. if that fails, and you still want to do part time work then do what many other people do. |
Actually, a work visa stipulates that you are entitled to work only for the visa host (employer) - while it isn't stated on the visa in your passport, the visa law/regulations clearly state this.
The regulations also state that this can be overridden by having written permission from your employer.
Not working outside of your employer is not only a contractual issue. It originates with the federal level of your visa!! |
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crashintheriver
Joined: 05 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:48 am Post subject: Re: Maximizing earning potential |
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| ForbiddenDonut wrote: |
Hey, whats up everyone? Before I start: The search just brought up a white screen when I tried using it, sorry if you're sick of the topic.
I visited China a few months ago and absolutely loved it. I�m looking to head over and teach there, and had a question about earning potential.
I'll be going for a Masters degree in the near future and need to save a bit of cash, which is why I�m asking. I know some will say to go to Korea for the money, the thing is I�ve just left from there not too long ago and would prefer to not go back there. It was rather unpleasant.
Basically, I�d like to know how one can maximize their earning ability there?
Find one school that would offer me a ton of hours? Juggle 2 or 3 part-time gigs? A low-hours visa-provider w/ tons of privates?
I don�t mind teaching a lot of hours. In Korea the standard was 30 hours/week, which I know is a lot compared to China. For a small portion of the time I was actually teaching about 40! (by choice, it was tiring but good $) I would, of course, rather find a combination of least hours for the most salary. What would you recommend?
Is saving $1000US/month doable? Or would getting the hours/schedule needed to do so be difficult to obtain? Am I better off going elsewhere?
BTW, I have a degree and 2 years of teaching experience, in case that helps to answer the questions
thanks! |
If money is your motivating factor then why, pray tell, are you coming to Asia to do some "temp job"? Why not get a normal paying job in your home country? |
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7969
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welcome to dave's esl cafe "crash"  |
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west2east
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Can anyone direct me to any official website that explains the legal standing with regards to part time work? Where can I read up:
* What I can and cannot do with regards to additional work
* What the official line is on the release letter. Can an employer refuse? Is it really illegal to work for another employer without the release letter?
Many people here seem to know what the laws are, but seldom do they agree with each other.
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crashintheriver
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| west2east wrote: |
Can anyone direct me to any official website that explains the legal standing with regards to part time work? Where can I read up:
* What I can and cannot do with regards to additional work
* What the official line is on the release letter. Can an employer refuse? Is it really illegal to work for another employer without the release letter?
Many people here seem to know what the laws are, but seldom do they agree with each other.
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The internet can show you in both English and Chinese the relevant laws and regulations - updated as of September 2009
You cannot work for another employer without a release letter - in that you cannot be issued a new Resident Permit and FEC without the document unless you are "released" via the authorities for having been not issued a letter from your employer.
Therefore, if you're not released, the police have not canceled things on their end, and so on - then you are not legally entitled to work for a new employer until your existing permits and contract expire their normal term. |
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johntpartee
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| Is saving $1000US/month doable? |
Yeah, I've been doing that ever since I got here. I'm sorta careful, but I don't do without. That's salary plus privates at 200 per hour AND I'm not breaking any contract stipulations; I asked for permission to do the privates. In fact, the school set up most of the privates for me. |
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DixieCat
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| The internet can show you in both English and Chinese the relevant laws and regulations - updated as of September 2009 |
Remember the laws are interpreted different from province to province and the requirement of a release letter can be waved, just depends on on the employment sector and standing of the new employer. As always beware of legal advice given by posters. |
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