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Antboy10
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 Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:12 am Post subject: What countries could I work in w/o a degree? |
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Hi, I'm 21 with a TESOL cert and I'm from New Zealand. I'm able to get an ancestory visa in Europe (5 years and must have a job lined up afaik - because my grandmother was born there)
I'm just looking for a rough idea on where I could teach. Thanks in advance. |
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spiral78
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| European countries don't legally require a first degree for teachers in general. You're unlikely to get a job from abroad -your best bet will be to pick a city, come over, and interview in person. It's unclear if you will have a legal right to work in the first five years, though - in which case you're limited to the 'new' EU countries like Poland, Czech Rep, etc, where non-EU citizens can still get a legal working permit. Finally, hopefully your cert was on-site and included supervised teaching practice with real students - it's the standard throughout Europe and an online or short course (less than 120 hours) will put you at the bottom of the hiring heap. |
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Glenski
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Kiwis with no degree can get a working holiday visa and work 12 months max in Japan, whether PT or FT.
http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/w_holiday/index.html
You'll be taxed 20%. Good news is simply that you can start working fast, don't need a sponsor, and can do PT work (which most newcomers on work visas can't). Bad news is that competition is pretty steep right now for just about any teaching work. |
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tttompatz
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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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| Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:38 am Post subject: Re: What countries could I work in w/o a degree? |
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| Antboy10 wrote: |
Hi, I'm 21 with a TESOL cert and I'm from New Zealand. I'm able to get an ancestory visa in Europe (5 years and must have a job lined up afaik - because my grandmother was born there)
I'm just looking for a rough idea on where I could teach. Thanks in advance. |
You can also work in Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, China (if you are willing to work for rmb3000 out in the hinterlands (still a livable wage but you won't save anything).
Not much else in Asia.
Central and South America are pretty much open ground but again you won't save anything.
Anywhere that will pay a decent wage will require a 1st degree (bachelor of something).
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Antboy10
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| Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 9:17 am Post subject: |
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| spiral78 wrote: |
| European countries don't legally require a first degree for teachers in general. You're unlikely to get a job from abroad -your best bet will be to pick a city, come over, and interview in person. It's unclear if you will have a legal right to work in the first five years, though - in which case you're limited to the 'new' EU countries like Poland, Czech Rep, etc, where non-EU citizens can still get a legal working permit. Finally, hopefully your cert was on-site and included supervised teaching practice with real students - it's the standard throughout Europe and an online or short course (less than 120 hours) will put you at the bottom of the hiring heap. |
Cool! thanks heaps. My cert was online 140 hours with 20 in a classroom and I'm teaching at a local school here in New Zealand as a student teacher trying to get some hours under my belt.
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Kiwis with no degree can get a working holiday visa and work 12 months max in Japan, whether PT or FT.
http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/w_holiday/index.html
You'll be taxed 20%. Good news is simply that you can start working fast, don't need a sponsor, and can do PT work (which most newcomers on work visas can't). Bad news is that competition is pretty steep right now for just about any teaching work. |
Hey cool thanks heaps for the info. Do you think I'd be able to set up some private tutoring/English clubs? I've got a friend doing it in Yamanashi and I'm sure he could flip me some clients to help me get on my way.
I think as far as working holiday visas NZ is eligible for nearly every country bar maybe 4-5 countries? Do you think Country hopping on working holiday visas and teaching while holidaying is do-able? |
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Glenski
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Antboy10 wrote: |
| Hey cool thanks heaps for the info. Do you think I'd be able to set up some private tutoring/English clubs? I've got a friend doing it in Yamanashi and I'm sure he could flip me some clients to help me get on my way. |
Getting clients can be spotty. Keeping them is often tough. They will leave you at the drop of a hat. My biggest suggestion is to have a sound business plan before offering any private lessons. Even on a WHV, there is no sense in looking like a cowboy teacher.
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| I think as far as working holiday visas NZ is eligible for nearly every country bar maybe 4-5 countries? Do you think Country hopping on working holiday visas and teaching while holidaying is do-able? |
You will probably have to return to NZ to apply for each WHV. You cannot apply outside the country for the one related to Japan.
I wouldn't try teaching while holidaying unless you plan to stay somewhere for at least 6 months. Students might get ticked off if you suddenly uproot, and where would that leave the remaining teachers who pick up the pieces behind you? |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: What countries could I work in w/o a degree? |
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| tttompatz wrote: |
You can also work in Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, China (if you are willing to work for rmb3000 out in the hinterlands (still a livable wage but you won't save anything).
Not much else in Asia.
Central and South America are pretty much open ground but again you won't save anything.
Anywhere that will pay a decent wage will require a 1st degree (bachelor of something). . |
She could work for the TALK programme here. Pays little, but you don't work much, and can get college credit.
There's always Peru . . .  |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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I worked with a nut-job Kiwi at NOVA in Japan who wuz kinda proud of the fact that Japan allowed high school grads alone to work...
I've never seen an under-achiever so happy that he just made it under the line...an' here I wuz in the cubicle next to him working on my M. Ed. in TESOL...
So, I guess, to the OP, you can check on the requirements of the working visa program(me)...
NCTBA |
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