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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:28 pm    Post subject: Visa Renewal Reply with quote

I'm curious about the process of visa renewal for English teachers in Japan. There's plenty of information about the requirements necessary to get a visa in the first place, but I have not been able to find information about RENEWING.

When you've been teaching in Japan for say, three years, what requirements do the immigration offices have for granting an extension?

Under what circumstances will they *NOT* grant an extension?

Specifically, here are a few cases I can think of, assuming that the person in the examples has a three-year work visa:

1. Somebody gets a three-year work visa. During those three years, he proceeds to do this:
Year 1: work at an eikaiwa
Year 2: no work, just study Japanese
Year 3: work at an eikaiwa again
Would he be able to get an extension in light of "taking Year 2 off?"

2. Somebody starts out at a school that CAN sponsor a visa. However, by Year 3, he is working at a school that does not have the capability to sponsor a visa. Can he still get a visa extension?

3. Somebody is employed continuously for three years, but in Years 2 and 3, his pay dropped to a very low level (like 100,000 yen a month). Will he be able to get an extension?

I'll let you guys know if I have any other renewal questions like these...

Please let me know if you think he'd get an extension in Cases 1, 2, and 3. Thanks.
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Visa Renewal Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:

1. Somebody gets a three-year work visa. During those three years, he proceeds to do this:
Year 1: work at an eikaiwa
Year 2: no work, just study Japanese
Year 3: work at an eikaiwa again
Would he be able to get an extension in light of "taking Year 2 off?"

Not sure how feasible that would be; to go from working to support yourself to having zero income for a year. How would you survive? What if you got an apartment from the eikaiwa or they are acting as your guarantor? And I think that somebody at your city office would have noticed something concerning especially come the spring when they don't receive a certificate confirming your earnings for the year in order to work out how much residence tax health and health insurance you need to pay.

Besides what does study mean? Go to a school? Sit at home only occasionally looking at a textbook?
If you are serious about studying and go to school, then change to a student visa, but you'll need to prove that you have the means to pay your tuition and support yourself. If not, I don't see how you could survive unless you have a partner's income to fall back on. If you are married then change to a dependant's/spouse visa.

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2. Somebody starts out at a school that CAN sponsor a visa. However, by Year 3, he is working at a school that does not have the capability to sponsor a visa. Can he still get a visa extension?

Assuming you're still earning enough to satisfy immigration, then there's no reason you can't self-sponor.

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3. Somebody is employed continuously for three years, but in Years 2 and 3, his pay dropped to a very low level (like 100,000 yen a month). Will he be able to get an extension?

The guy's a knob if he takes that kind of a drop in salary and not only didn't quit, but is looking to continue on with that employer!
Unless it's because he's no longer working the hours that he started off with, in which case he can find another PT job to bring up his monthly salary to an amount that would be acceptable to immigration for them to grant you self-sponsorship.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So then what, specifically, are the criteria that they use to determine whether an extension is granted or rejected?

Oh, and here's another case I'm curious about:

John Smith has successfully held down a teaching job for two years, 11.5 months on his Specialist in Humanities Visa. He is just about to apply for an extension when suddenly, out of the blue, he is fired out of the blue! Does that mean a renewal is denied?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Visa Renewal Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:
I'm curious about the process of visa renewal for English teachers in Japan. There's plenty of information about the requirements necessary to get a visa in the first place, but I have not been able to find information about RENEWING.
Because it is so simple and straightforward. Renewing is called extending a period of stay in the List of Necessary Documents.
http://www.immi-moj.go.jp/english/tetuduki/index.html


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When you've been teaching in Japan for say, three years, what requirements do the immigration offices have for granting an extension?
Same as for the original issuing of the visa -- you have an employer willing to sponsor you, and he fits the immigration guidelines.

One addition is to renew with PT jobs, so that essentially you self-sponsor instead of having one of your employers serve as sponsor.

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Under what circumstances will they *NOT* grant an extension?
Why the 3 hypothetical situations? Are these you and your buddies? Hypothetical situations are tough to deal with, whether here or at immigration. I'll try, though...

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assuming that the person in the examples has a three-year work visa:

1. Somebody gets a three-year work visa. During those three years, he proceeds to do this:
Year 1: work at an eikaiwa
Year 2: no work, just study Japanese
Year 3: work at an eikaiwa again
Would he be able to get an extension in light of "taking Year 2 off?"
Unknown. Although he is allowed to study under a work visa, technically he is not supposed to take more than 3 months off without a valid reason. (See same link as above, Q&A sublink, question 17)

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2. Somebody starts out at a school that CAN sponsor a visa. However, by Year 3, he is working at a school that does not have the capability to sponsor a visa. Can he still get a visa extension?
Not with that employer. Self-sponsorship, perhaps, but that's up to immigration's discretion.

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3. Somebody is employed continuously for three years, but in Years 2 and 3, his pay dropped to a very low level (like 100,000 yen a month). Will he be able to get an extension?
How can you be self-employed continuously and have a 3-year work visa (unless it's a business manager visa)? This hypothetical is pretty weak.

Doubtful on that one, IMO, for a couple of reasons.

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John Smith has successfully held down a teaching job for two years, 11.5 months on his Specialist in Humanities Visa. He is just about to apply for an extension when suddenly, out of the blue, he is fired out of the blue! Does that mean a renewal is denied?
If he doesn't have a sponsor or the ability to self-sponsor, then I'd say it is likely he has not met the requirements, so here I'd say he would not be able to renew/extend.

Why are you so obsessed with these sorts of examples? Are you digging into law cases from a union file or something?
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I left Japan for almost a year partway into a three year humanities visa, and started working for a different employer when I came back. It was a complete non-issue when I went to renew my visa just before it was up.

To answer the points seklarwia raised, it's easy enough to stop working for a year if you have enough money saved up, if you go and live somewhere else there's no issue with the school being your apartment guarantor, and the ward office must have received information about how much I had earned during the first part of my stay on that visa, because I got bills for the amount I owed as soon as I arrived back in Japan and registered in the area I was living in then. The same thing would happen if you just moved within Japan. You don't have to work a full year for those certificates to be issued or have that information passed on to the tax office.

As Glenski says, technically you are not supposed to be unemployed for more than three months on a work visa, but I have never heard of anyone being called on this. If you were to enroll full time at a language school though you would most likely be expected to have a student visa.

For the third scenario (Glenski, there was nothing about being self-employed, or has it been edited since you posted?), I'm assuming Rooster means cutting work hours to the level where he/she would only be earning 100,000 yen or so. In that case it's unlikely you would get the extension, because although there doesn't seem to be a set guideline, I doubt that Immigration would consider that a livable wage. You would need to boost your earnings back up again by the time you came to renew the visa.
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Apsara



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 27, 2010 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:
So then what, specifically, are the criteria that they use to determine whether an extension is granted or rejected?

Oh, and here's another case I'm curious about:

John Smith has successfully held down a teaching job for two years, 11.5 months on his Specialist in Humanities Visa. He is just about to apply for an extension when suddenly, out of the blue, he is fired out of the blue! Does that mean a renewal is denied?


As for this, of course his renewal is denied- no job equals no working visa. That would be really bad luck, but if John wanted to stay in Japan, he could start looking for a new job on a tourist permit again and then start the visa application from scratch.

Basically the criteria for renewing a work visa are that you have a full (or several part) time job(s) that is paying a living wage/salary (you need to be earning around 200,000 yen, although this is not set in stone), and that you provide Immigration with the necessary documentation, which includes a copy of your contract, info about your employer's finances if you are changing to a new employer, and a few other items which you should find with an internet search or by phoning Immigration. It's very simple if you are staying with the same employer, you need a few more documents if you are changing employers. I renewed work visas several times before switching to a spouse visa- basically if you fulfill the above criteria you are in, provided you haven't been committing felonies.

It's really quite straightforward, as long as you have a full time job (or a bunch of part time jobs which give you a full time salary) at the time you apply to renew. Which of the situations are you in? If none of them, why the concern for what would happen in those cases?
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seklarwia



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