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[Kornan DeKobb]

[sheikher]

My friend Google revealed via "enjaz technology information payment" http://www.google.com/search?sclient=psy&hl=en&site=&source=hp&q=enjaz+technology+information+payment&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&psj=1&safe=active&cad=cbv

which includes:

http://www.mofa.gov.sa/Detail.asp?InSectionID=3047&InNewsItemID=76320

which includes:

Upon the Consulate's approval the AGENCY is provided with the log-in name (Admin user) which can do the following:
1- Create all agency�s login names (data entry staff).
2- Update agency�s data.
3- Settle all electronic services cost with a special payment password.

**AGENCIES with UNPAID APPLICATION FEES through the prescribed link shall not be reflected in the system.**

PERHAPS your voucher is to be submitted VIA AN AGENT to the embassy in Washington.

But I'm jest sayin'!

Anything related to employment in Saudi Arabia involves a multitude of agencies heeding opportunism's whisper! Aspirants need to unravel these mysteries, often without proper consultation, however urgently required!

Then there's the entire issue of gold-karat legitimacy -- employer's and/or agency's -- which is beyond the purview of this particular post.

[sheikher]

Here's a clue:

We are Certified agency for Saudi Arabia Consulate in New York & a visa office registered with Enjaz Information Technology in New York, this empower us in securing expedited Visas to Saudi Arabia & to file the online application, (ENJAZIT).

For Enjaz Application please visit our saudi arabia online application page,Fill out the form and summit your application to our server then we will provide you with confirmation number for your visa in 1hour.

We are located one (1) block west of the Saudi Arabia Consulate in New York so you can just walk about 2minutes and you will file your Enjaz application in about 20 minutes... http://transitxpress.com/ It's all about claiming empowerment, errant grammar notwithstanding!


Even expats resident in Saudi Arabia must apply via agents for exit-re-entry visas.

Issuing exit-reentry visas just got easier

Expatriates in Saudi Arabia can obtain an exit-reentry visa for a single trip by mobile phone via SMS. This first-of-its-kind e-service for expatriates is being provided by Ishaar and Al-Elm Information Security in cooperation with the General Directorate of Passports.

�Al-Elm is the leading company in Saudi Arabia providing e- government services. It is owned by the Public Investment Fund and offers people smart services that help them save money, effort and time,� said Dr. Muhammad Siddiqi, mobile services unit manager of Al-Elm.

�The service has been developed to enable human resources managers and other HR staff in the private sector to issue exit-reentry visas in just three minutes,� Dr. Siddiqi added.
http://www.a1saudiarabia.com/Issuing-exit-reentry-visas-just-got-easier/

[Kornan DeKobb]

After I advised the school of the problem, they gave me the name of an agency which I contacted. The agent said my employer was not one of his sponsors so I could not use his services as he only works for companies, not individuals.

Now my school contact has asked for the photo and she said she will try to complete the process from her end. I have suggested they just pay the agent so I can finish the process.

[sheikher]

While you are waiting, familiarize yourself with some vernacular.
1. steppa by steppa
2. mumkin (perhaps, maybe, possibly)
3. inshallah (by the will of a Higher Being, or "no guarantees")
4. mumkin-inshallah

And, for your pre-departure professional development, do take the time to enjoy this little mating ritual musical interlude: http://www.emirates247.com/offbeat/crazy-world/dancing-boys-get-a-smacked-up-at-saudi-mall-2010-11-23-1.320240

[johnslat]

Dear sheikher

Wouldn't Number 1 be shway, shway?

Regards,
John

[sheikher]

Correct, Mr Slat, once again!

Is there an accompanying gesture? Right now I'm performing Row 2 #1 to Mr DeKobb, and unnecessarily uttering baden baden (both vowels short).

http://americanbedu.com/2010/09/21/saudi-arabia-saudis-and-non-verbal-communications/

(For the uninitiated, baden baden is described in paragraph 2 and Response 2 -- though the latter might actually refer to vehemence in paragraph 9.)


Oh mercy, is this a hijack?

[Kornan DeKobb]

[sheikher]

I maintain my suspicion, Mr DeKobb, that your circumambulations will continue until breakthrough into the kaaba is achieved via an Agent.

Further evidence:

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:q71Lz3x6giIJ:https://www.enjazit.com.sa/EnjazUserGuid-English.doc+Enjaz+Information+Technology+Payment&hl=en&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESinPCuYtieuvMIWZ28qNiW43dJY_-3I6mTu84OzVg29oITmIYQ8O4NVSA82VV0Pdrfe8hss3o6UauuXOyE-sW278Cl_t1WM69wfHS1tC7esgYWJCmyww7lHB9etXwBgWuEsK4SS&sig=AHIEtbTJ87xKZ5UvX_LHVHpNrSN7KAqNRw

Please note that only [Bold not mine] approved companies can fill the VISA application form through this link, therefore all companies should submit a request for approval to the consulate to allow application entry. Also the company must accept the electronic agreement for using the system and then send in company details to consulate. The consulate will process the company's request and grant them access and provide user name and password (an admin user who can create sub users for the company's data entry staff). After approving the company (Agency) by the consulate the company is provided with the login name (Admin user) which can do the following:
1. Create all company's login names (data entry staff).
2. Update company's data.
3. Settle all electronic services cost with a special payment password.

Etc., including on page 6 of 10 reference to payment options of "E-wallet" account or credit card (which presumably bears the company name) which will be honoured after the company registers for Verified by Visa (VbV) for Visa and SecureCode for MasterCard credit cards.

Etc., including on page 10 of 10: Pied [sic] and unpaid applications display & print form: Through Admin control screen Users can display and print paid & unpaid applications searched either by date or conciliate.

For further conciliation, may I suggest a Philadelphia lawyer?


PS: If you are a troll, sir, be very assured that upon your passage through Arrivals, I personally will be raising high the small placard bearing your name. You will be chauffeured to your residence in a car containing a half-dozen Saudi young men who will be most delighted to en route demonstrate their finest peacockery at their most easily accessible luxury shopping mall, Main Gate.

My contribution to Saudization in the hospitality sector.

Believe me,
-- Sheikher and Associates: Researchers Extraordinaire, Camels and Croissants

[Kornan DeKobb]

[Bebsi]

KornanDeKobb,

The application form you are being asked to sign should tell you what sort of visa you are seeking.

Either way, your employer must surely know what visa you are applying for (or to put it more accurately, what visa he is applying for), and he should have no hesitation in telling you this if everything is above board.

It sounds remarkably like a Business Visa (strictly illegal for employment in KSA), and indeed, I seriously wonder about your employer's integrity given that you are so kept-in-the-dark. Why don't you PM me the identity of this employer? Maybe I'd know something about him?

There are some private-sector employers in KSA whose credentials and history are less than entirely reassuring and impeccable. [OK, understatement of the millennium!]

[sheikher]

My Associates and I declare Uncle and now retire to attend to our collective aneurysm.

Well well well, now looky here: My Enjaz pdf document link is Copyright 2007. Your Enjaz electronic services link is Copyright 2007-2010.

Ah ha, ahumdillilah! Now notable in the Agreement you Accept before the Application pops up, there is in point #1 fee payments made using the e-payment System [Bold mine] for �Banking Service Fee� and to the benefit of Enjaz for �Visa Processing Fee� are NON-REFUNDABLE.

Did [email protected] recently neglect to detail that crucial notation as intricately as he did three years previously when E-Wallet, VbV and SecureCode specifications were all the rage?

We do not know this, Mr DeKobb. But allow me to plumb the depths of that Agreement to reveal this, his premeditated proclaimed absolution: THE SYSTEM AND SERVICES ARE PROVIDED ON "AS IS," AND "AS AVAILABLE" BASIS. WE DO NOT REPRESENT OR WARRANT THAT THE SYSTEM OR SERVICES WILL BE AVAILABLE, ACCESSIBLE, UNINTERRUPTED, TIMELY, SECURE, ACCURATE, COMPLETE, ENTIRELY ERROR-FREE NOR DO WE MAKE ANY WARRANTY AS TO THE RESULTS THAT MAY BE OBTAINED FROM THE USE OF THE SYSTEM OR SERVICES OR AS TO THE ACCURACY OR RELIABILITY OF ANY CONTENT OR ANY INFORMATION OR PRODUCTS OBTAINED THROUGH THE SYSTEM OR THAT DEFECTS IN THE SERVICES WILL BE CORRECTED. YOU EXPRESSLY ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS SYSTEM AND THE SERVICES ARE COMPUTER NETWORK-BASED SERVICES, WHICH MAY BE SUBJECT TO OUTAGES, INTERRUPTIONS, ATTACKS BY THIRD PARTIES AND DELAY OCCURRENCES. IN SUCH AN EVENT AND SUBJECT TO THE TERMS HEREOF, WE SHALL USE COMMERCIALLY REASONABLE EFFORTS TO REMEDY MATERIAL INTERRUPTIONS AND WILL PROVIDE ADJUSTMENTS, REPAIRS AND REPLACEMENTS, WITHIN ITS CAPACITY, THAT ARE NECESSARY TO ENABLE THE SYSTEM AND THE SERVICES TO PERFORM THEIR INTENDED FUNCTIONS IN A REASONABLE MANNER. YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE DO NOT WARRANT THAT SUCH EFFORTS WILL BE SUCCESSFUL.

Mr tec_visasupport most certainly does not proclaim with a humble and contrite heart, remembering to burn a candle on his way out. Nosireebob, he does not! Lo and behold, Mr DeKobb! He goes forth! Boldly! Shamelessly! Arrogantly! On camel mount! In ALL CAPS!

My six boys just rang. Arrangements are being made.



The temperature of this Macbook is now 78. Oh mercy, where's my Prozac?

[sheikher]

My my my, Mr Bebsi!

Effective January 1, 2007, the U.S.�Saudi Arabian Business Council (USSABC) introduced a tier-based membership structure plus a fee-based services system. We continue to enhance our existing member benefits, including research capabilities that provide real-time market intelligence and access to industry specific opportunities, such as exclusive high-level networking events, trade missions, and business facilitation services.

U.S.-Saudi Arabian Business Council Membership Benefits

U.S. Companies

$10,000 Platinum Member: Direct engagement on advocacy-related issues through access by Co-Chairmen and President with U.S. and Saudi Government officials, Priority notice of special events with Saudi and U.S. Government leaders, Priority table seating for CEO/Chairman at selected events, CEO receives direct access to dignitaries at selected events...25 Saudi visa sponsorships per year

$5,000 Gold Member: Priority notice of special events with Saudi and U.S. Government leaders...10 Saudi visa sponsorships per year

$2,000 Silver Member: Invitations to special events with Saudi and U.S. Government leaders...5 Saudi visa sponsorships per year

http://www.us-sabc.org/i4a/pages/Index.cfm?pageID=3303


How do you spell, yanni, "influence peddling"?


Ministry detects visa fraud
By Muhammas Talib Al-Ahmedi

MADINA � The Ministry of Commerce and Industry has placed an annual two-month ban on exhibitions in Makkah and Madina after finding that persons have been buying visit visas on foreign black markets and using them to conduct Haj and Umrah pilgrimages.

According to information obtained by Okaz/SG, the ministry has discovered instances of visas granted to attend or take part in international exhibitions in Makkah or Madina making their way on the black market abroad, then purchased by �wealthy persons or businessmen� who use them to �go on the Umrah or Haj pilgrimages and visit the Prophet�s Mosque illegally�... http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=2010072178685&archiveissuedate=21/07/2010



"Looking for well-connected person ready to accept a bribe for a job in telecommunications. Serious applicants only". In Saudi Arabia, this type of online classified ad is nothing out of the ordinary � it�s just another way to find a job.

The Saudi classified ad website "mstaml" (usager) is one of the most popular in the country, with up to 570,000 daily visitors. At first sight, it�s the Arabic version of any mainstream classified ad site, with postings for real estate, cars, jobs, electrical appliances and the like� On closer inspection, however, the site is peppered with hundreds of ads blatantly advertising all types of corruption, whether it be to obtain a job, a visa or government funding of some kind. According to our Observer, the practice is so common it is almost official...

You can buy anything in Saudi Arabia as long as you have the money: connections, visas for foreign workers and even university diplomas. Lots of recruitment agencies serve as a front for the illegal visa market between the Work Ministry and employers of migrant workers. They sell the visas for a fortune to companies that have trouble getting visas for their employees the normal way... http://observers.france24.com/content/20091118-buy-bribe-online-saudi-arabia-mstaml


Visa selling Haraam: Al-Obeikan

JEDDAH � Selling of work visas is Haraam (forbidden) and exploitation of expatriate workers does not have religious sanction, Sheikh Abdul

Mohsin Al-Obeikan, Adviser to the Minister of Justice and member of the Shoura Council, has said.

He said selling of visas violates the regulations as they are issued in the interest of the people.

The practice of exploiting workers by selling visas and then allowing them to work somewhere else for money is a despicable act and clearly violates the Shariah provisions, Okaz reported him as saying... http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=200806179470&archiveissuedate=17/06/2008

[Kornan DeKobb]

I am not going through a recruiter, but dealing directly with the uni. It is a two-year contract.

What I must submit to the embassy are:

Enjaz Information Technology Payment
Contract
Copy of the "Visa Slip" (This is what Enjaz is supposed to ultimately give me, right?)
Visa Payment Receipt
School Registration Certificate

What I must sign is the contract which says the school will give all the necessary entry permits and visas for employment and residency. I have not had to sign any visa application (yet?)

[sheikher]

Having misplaced my Crayola and fine-tip pen, Mr DeKobb, I now trust you are seated.

Nowhere in that list -- and I assume it is exhaustive -- do I see evidence of any submission to the embassy of hard copies of health check certificate, police clearance check, statement of religion (though that one is on-line), and notarized transcript.

All these are true and legit requirements for an employment entry visa required to legally draw salary from the university.

That $10 fee you see there is the service charge for Enjaz high tech. The 50-cent surcharge is the service fee for paying by credit card. I sincerely hope you're not under the impression that a KSA visa costs a mere $10.50!!!

Do not assume that "ultimately" you can enter KSA by tipping a "visa slip" into your passport, as opposed to a full-page visa firmly adhered.

My boys, sir, are sorely disappointed!

Is there any information you are withholding?