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Samantha



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greg, maybe it's a "girl thing" and male teachers may not experience it. I knew exactly what Dragonlady was referring to, because I've experienced it myself, often times being the only foreign teacher. In my area, Mexican teachers are the norm in language schools, and there are relatively few foreign teachers.

I have worked with a male British teacher, albeit briefly. The students rebelled against his teaching style and he got fired for being too strict. They asked me to speak to him first and explain some of the cultural differences....like it's not cool to accuse the students of cheating on exams, throw their cell phones in the garbage can, and stuff like that. Smile
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Dragonlady



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gregd75 wrote:
...As for Brits being better received... I think its just because the UK/Europe is farther away and seen as a bit more 'exotic' for Mexicans. Whenever I tell people that I'm from London they really open up and want to talk about my home town. Thats the warmth I was referring to.

Then, could I suggest being more complete in posting in the future.... this would avoid readers having to guess the meaning/contexts of posts. Wink

BTW, it was the comment tacked on to the end that got my attention.
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I imagine a big point is that Brits are much better received here in Mexico than Americans. Couldn't begin to imagine why.

I'll let it slide. The sun is shining and it's a great day to be alive.

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DL
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Tretyakovskii



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have we exhausted our ideas about how teachers can get their income up?

I suppose what I've suggested is to concentrate on establishing groups, which allows you to aggregate what each student, individually, pays, so as to produce a higher hourly rate for the teacher; to think in terms of what you'd like to earn for your time, rather than what others may think their time is worth, and to push your hourly/student rate higher, over time, if possible, always looking for those who are comfortable paying more, rather than reducing your rates to appeal to a wider audience.

One of the teachers I knew in Vietnam had done very well for himself offering studies for modest hourly sums, but running groups of twenty, or more. This meant that people of modest means would have a chance to study, but at affordable (for them) rates. I didn't find that necessary, and was able to run groups of ten, making my targets for income, but I thought what he did had a place in the scheme of things.


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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One of the teachers I knew in Vietnam had done very well for himself offering studies for modest hourly sums, but running groups of twenty, or more. This meant that people of modest means would have a chance to study, but at affordable (for them) rates. I didn't find that necessary, and was able to run groups of ten, making my targets for income, but I thought what he did had a place in the scheme of things.


Where would he give classes? One of the problems I see in trying to form your own large groups as an independent teacher would be having the facilities.
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Tretyakovskii



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy, consistent with his desire to serve those of lesser means, he rented a very modest place in the most centrally located place he could find: for some it must have cost more in transportation to get to his classes, than his classes cost.
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Isla Guapa



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trying to rent a place in Mexico City to give classes of that size could get complicated, I think, especially anything centrally-located. Anyway, teaching a group that large is more work than I'd care to take on at this stage in my career.
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Tretyakovskii



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tell me about it. This semester, I had a total of 50 students, in two groups; others were not so lucky and had as many as 37 students to a class.

Classes this large are a handful, but seem to come with the territory (state universities). Now and then, because of the vagaries of enrollment at university, a teacher will end up with a group of less than 15, but that's not the norm, here.
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the peanut gallery



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some good concepts here guys and gals! Can someone smarter than me nutshell the conclusions and maybe even the practical applications of whats been presented as feasible in this thread?
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Dragonlady



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 2:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tretyakovskii wrote:
Have we exhausted our ideas about how teachers can get their income up?

I suppose what I've suggested is to concentrate on establishing groups

Not by a long shot, however the advice given so far would be beneficial to only those who are their own master.
It would seem to me that the only advice offered to those who are not (and I'd hazard a guess and say that would be the majority of ESOL teachers in Mexico - nationals and non-nationals) is to suck it up or get out of Dodge. Crying or Very sad

Brothers and sisters of the TESOL working class unite! Mad

DL
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dragonlady wrote:
Tretyakovskii wrote:
Have we exhausted our ideas about how teachers can get their income up?

I suppose what I've suggested is to concentrate on establishing groups

Not by a long shot, however the advice given so far would be beneficial to only those who are their own master.
It would seem to me that the only advice offered to those who are not (and I'd hazard a guess and say that would be the majority of ESOL teachers in Mexico - nationals and non-nationals) is to suck it up or get out of Dodge. Crying or Very sad

Brothers and sisters of the TESOL working class unite! Mad

DL


Maybe the conclusion therefore is: be your own master! (To answer the original question directly)
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Dragonlady



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe the conclusion therefore is: be your own master! (To answer the original question directly)

Perhaps for some, not for me. I've left the life of marketing manipulation and corporate sales throat-cutting behind. Wink

But all the best to you who are still into it!

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DL
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Samantha



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 3:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tretyakovskii wrote:
Have we exhausted our ideas about how teachers can get their income up?

I suppose what I've suggested is to concentrate on establishing groups

Having to work forty hours/week, as I do now, is not really to my liking


I'm confused. If this is the way to go, why are you then working 40 hours a week? That's a harsh way to increase pay.
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Dragonlady



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe the conclusion therefore is: be your own master! (To answer the original question directly)

Actually IMO, this suggestion wouldn't be a solution at all. If the market was suddenly overflowing with eager entrepreneurs, what would logically happen to customer availability and anticipated earning power of each individual?

One thing is for sure, (INM and tax) lawyers, agents, and the like would suddenly become a hot commodity as everyone rushed to get their legal papers in order. Wink

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DL
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Enchilada Potosina



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the peanut gallery wrote:
Some good concepts here guys and gals! Can someone smarter than me nutshell the conclusions and maybe even the practical applications of whats been presented as feasible in this thread?

Nothing new really. As you mentioned in another thread, the best way to increase your salary is probably to retrain in another field. The thing that surprised me most was that owning a language school is not easy money, even when you pay the teachers $60 an hour. I think this may apply to schools outside the SLP area though.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 05, 2010 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dragonlady wrote:
wrote:
Maybe the conclusion therefore is: be your own master! (To answer the original question directly)

Actually IMO, this suggestion wouldn't be a solution at all. If the market was suddenly overflowing with eager entrepreneurs, what would logically happen to customer availability and anticipated earning power of each individual?

One thing is for sure, (INM and tax) lawyers, agents, and the like would suddenly become a hot commodity as everyone rushed to get their legal papers in order. Wink

Regards,
DL


Oooo, we're getting dangerously close to a capitalist vs. socialist argument here. I don't think I'll go there! Wink
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