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How to Get a Three-Year Visa Instead of a One-Year Visa
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:47 pm    Post subject: How to Get a Three-Year Visa Instead of a One-Year Visa Reply with quote

I'm thinking about maybe teaching in Japan (not definite yet). If I teach there, I'd prefer a three-year Specialist in Humanities visa to start. Much less headache than the one-year one.

Would signing a 13-month contract with an eikaiwa increase my chances of getting a three-year visa instead of a one-year visa?

How can I increase my chances of getting a three-year visa?

Thanks.
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therock



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it depends on what kind of day the immigration officer processing your application is having.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

therock wrote:
I think it depends on what kind of day the immigration officer processing your application is having.
Okay, yeah, I've already heard that theory a million times, but how about my 13-month contract idea?

Since a 13-month contract simply cannot be fulfilled using a one-year visa, it seems like the immigration officer would be forced to stamp "three years," right?

Or would they spot the peculiarity and still stamp it "one year?"

What if I had a contract for something a little less suspicious, like 15 months?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I came here with a 13-month contract but they just had me on a one-year visa, then renewed it at the very end.

Doubtful you'll get a 3-year visa right away.

When I re-applied for mine last month, I asked for a 3-year visa and they granted it. I was lucky. Most of my friends who also asked for it only got the 1-year one...
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ciccone_youth wrote:
I came here with a 13-month contract but they just had me on a one-year visa, then renewed it at the very end.

Doubtful you'll get a 3-year visa right away.

When I re-applied for mine last month, I asked for a 3-year visa and they granted it. I was lucky. Most of my friends who also asked for it only got the 1-year one...
That's useful information. Thank you.

Is it necessary to have a full one-year contract to get a one-year visa?
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southofreality



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A while ago, every first-timer at our office came over with 3-year visas while I kept getting only one-year renewals. I didn't get my first 3-year renewal until I used the Shinagawa office. With the minimal amount of data I've gathered (lol), it seems that the people I know who have used the Shinagawa office get the 3-year renewal with greater frequency than people I know who've used other offices.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 10:41 pm    Post subject: Re: How to Get a Three-Year Visa Instead of a One-Year Visa Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:
I'm thinking about maybe teaching in Japan (not definite yet). If I teach there, I'd prefer a three-year Specialist in Humanities visa to start. Much less headache than the one-year one.
Yeah, you and everyone else feels this way. It just doesn't happen all that often, and there is nothing you can do to increase your odds of getting it.

I really think you are over-thinking this whole thing, Rooster. Get your butt in the door here with a job first. That's a challenge in itself. The "headache" about renewing your visa is a minor one and one that nearly every newcomer faces. You're putting the cart way before the horse and looking to be an exception for no valid reason IMO.

Join the crowd. Worry about the job first.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:37 am    Post subject: Re: How to Get a Three-Year Visa Instead of a One-Year Visa Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Rooster_2006 wrote:
I'm thinking about maybe teaching in Japan (not definite yet). If I teach there, I'd prefer a three-year Specialist in Humanities visa to start. Much less headache than the one-year one.
Yeah, you and everyone else feels this way. It just doesn't happen all that often, and there is nothing you can do to increase your odds of getting it.

I really think you are over-thinking this whole thing, Rooster. Get your butt in the door here with a job first. That's a challenge in itself. The "headache" about renewing your visa is a minor one and one that nearly every newcomer faces. You're putting the cart way before the horse and looking to be an exception for no valid reason IMO.

Join the crowd. Worry about the job first.
It's important to do one's homework/due diligence, first.

As for whether I can find a job, well, I believe you that the EFL market has gotten much worse in the past couple of years.

However, I'm pretty sure I can still find a job.

Visas can make or break your stay. Researching them is imperative.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And to people who couldn't find a job in Japan, I have to ask the following questions:

1. Are you a native English speaker?
2. Do you have a degree?
3. Do you have Cambridge CELTA, a Cambridge CELTYL, or a Trinity CTEFLA?
4. Do you have at least a year of experience teaching English for pay?
5. Did you come to Japan and apply in-country (NOT just applying though overseas recruitment agencies, but actually showing up in Japan)?
6. Did you spend at least a month in Japan looking?
7. Did you send/hand out at least 50 resumes?
8. Do you speak Japanese at at least a JLPT Level 4 level?
9. Did you dress up for at least 75% of your interviews?
10. Are you under 30?
11. Do you have a North American accent?
12. When you did your demos for the job interviews, did you prepare or bring any tangible games/prizes/visuals for at least 75% of your interviews?
13. Were you willing to accept 180 ~ 220K yen per month?
14. Were you willing to work outside of Tokyo?
15. Were you willing to take a rural placement?

My guess is that people who didn't find jobs answered "no" to at least one of the above questions.

And my guess is that someone who answered "yes" to all 15 DID manage to find a job.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 8:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice list of questions, Rooster.

But answering no to 3, 4, 8 and 10 are definitely not necessarily problems.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:
And to people who couldn't find a job in Japan, I have to ask the following questions:

1. Are you a native English speaker?
2. Do you have a degree?
3. Do you have Cambridge CELTA, a Cambridge CELTYL, or a Trinity CTEFLA?
4. Do you have at least a year of experience teaching English for pay?
5. Did you come to Japan and apply in-country (NOT just applying though overseas recruitment agencies, but actually showing up in Japan)?
6. Did you spend at least a month in Japan looking?
7. Did you send/hand out at least 50 resumes?
8. Do you speak Japanese at at least a JLPT Level 4 level?
9. Did you dress up for at least 75% of your interviews?
10. Are you under 30?
11. Do you have a North American accent?
12. When you did your demos for the job interviews, did you prepare or bring any tangible games/prizes/visuals for at least 75% of your interviews?
13. Were you willing to accept 180 ~ 220K yen per month?
14. Were you willing to work outside of Tokyo?
15. Were you willing to take a rural placement?

My guess is that people who didn't find jobs answered "no" to at least one of the above questions.

And my guess is that someone who answered "yes" to all 15 DID manage to find a job.


However, my guess is that anyone who can tick all 15 things off on that list with a "yes" will probably get a job. 95% probability, shall we say?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not necessarily. There was someone posting here not long ago about a simple eikaiwa job (I think, at least it was entry level), where a few hundred people applied. The person who got the job was a highly qualified/experienced French person, I think.

Moreover, personal chemistry is something employers look at. If your personality suits them, that seems to be half the battle because you are essentially in the service industry, and they want their clients (whom you see every day) to be happy with you, regardless of the quality of your actual teaching performance.
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Yawarakaijin



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Not necessarily. There was someone posting here not long ago about a simple eikaiwa job (I think, at least it was entry level), where a few hundred people applied. The person who got the job was a highly qualified/experienced French person, I think.

Moreover, personal chemistry is something employers look at. If your personality suits them, that seems to be half the battle because you are essentially in the service industry, and they want their clients (whom you see every day) to be happy with you, regardless of the quality of your actual teaching performance.


Spot on!
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Mr_Monkey



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand, it should be noted that personality and social skills are a fundamental determiner of the quality of teaching.

If your students like you, it's half the battle. The other half - actually knowing what the hell you're doing - takes education, training and, to a lesser extent, experience.
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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Not necessarily. There was someone posting here not long ago about a simple eikaiwa job (I think, at least it was entry level), where a few hundred people applied. The person who got the job was a highly qualified/experienced French person, I think.
Yeah, I read that post, too.

However, what are the competition rates like for eikaiwa out in the middle of nowhere that pay 200K yen a month? I bet not that high...

My guess is that the eikaiwa you mentioned was probably a super attractive place. Perhaps it paid very well, was located in an elite part of Tokyo, or was for teaching adults only. Or maybe they put up way too much advertising for the job. I'm sure competition rates like that aren't typical.

And besides, I can cut through 75% of the other potential hires easily. Let's say that every job has 20 people competing for it.

Can I beat out the 50% who aren't even physically present in Japan? Yep. Simple, just show up.

Can I beat out the utterly unqualified people? The real estate agent who thought she'd have an "adventure" this year? The shady middle-aged guy with a tattoo of mermaid? Yep. Can I beat out the 21-year-old who comes dressed in Naruto cosplay? Yep.

Which leaves me to contend with just a small handful of other people who actually have TEFL certifications and experience teaching. Which is probably going to be about 25% of the original applicants.

Suddenly, a 20:1 competition ratio doesn't look so bad -- it has become a competition ratio of 5:1. Much better odds. If my chances of getting a job are 20% (1 in 5) for any given interview, that means that by the tenth interview, my chances of landing a job by that point will be 89%.

Can someone with a degree in education or an MA TESOL blow me out of the water? Yes. However, I strongly doubt such people ordinarily apply to rural 200K eikaiwa jobs.
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