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daCabbie

Joined: 02 Sep 2007 Posts: 244
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Most of my students take three or four English classes. They have for the past five or six years. They stopped enjoying English about 3.5 years ago. If I can give them a little bit of entertainment in English than I have accomplished something none of thier other teachers are doing.
I take my students outside for games. We go to the market. We make popcorn. We laugh together. They are MY students.
You do it your way. I'll do it mine. We are both gonna end up in the same place; six feet under before too long. |
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Trifaro
Joined: 10 Nov 2010 Posts: 152
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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I sent you the PM, Great Wall.. Whenever you feel like giving me the cash next semester, let me know. Our semester ends in 3 weeks.
If you come down before 12/30, you can sleep on my couch and I'll double it to 2k if you can engage 60 stunnards.
Easy Money. |
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xiong20
Joined: 04 Nov 2008 Posts: 22 Location: Shijiazhuang,Hebei,China
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:22 pm Post subject: class festivities... end-o-year |
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I was in an almost exact same situation as you 2 years ago at a middle school where all the students boarded in and this is what I did.
There were 2 classes of about 100 students in total that I taught Oral English. All thought every foreigner celebrates Xmas and asked so many questions about how we observed it and in particular - the Xmas tree. So .......
I purchased 2 table top trees,ornaments,lights,tinsel,minature Santas, small L.E.D. Santas with the flashing lights at a cost of 3 yuan per, and 2 cans of artificial snow. Then I took everthing to the school.
First class was 8-10 and second was 10-12... they almost flipped out when they saw what I had for them. The 10-12 class knew they were next and couldn't sit still they were so excited.
The students decorated the trees,received either a minature Santa or the flashing L.E.D. Santa. They sprayed the artificial snow on the tree and the odd student. I had 2 girls write the words to Jingle Bells on the board and we turned on the tree lights and they sang their hearts out.Those trees stood for about 2 weeks with absolutely no complaints from other teachers and lots of envy from other classes. I did not care about the cost and didn't even count it up.I was the only foreign teacher at that school and we were allowed to sing if it was in English... part of the lesson you see.By the way... that was the first time I celebrated Xmas in a long time and I'm quite sure those kids will never forget that they had a Christmas tree. After their spring break and they had to prepare for exams,Oral English finished for the term. I never seen them again.Every now and then I receive an e-mail from one of them. I thoroughly enjoyed what I had done that day. So........... enjoy,too. |
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The Edge
Joined: 04 Sep 2010 Posts: 455 Location: China
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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Very good.  |
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nickpellatt
Joined: 08 Dec 2006 Posts: 1522
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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Im really interested in the Trifaro Vs GWOW thing. Is anyone taking side bets and running a book?
On topic. I think it all depends on where and who you teach. Thats why my student of choice is professional adults. Its quite natural to attend social nights, or even arrange social nights, when you work with adult students. |
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Trifaro
Joined: 10 Nov 2010 Posts: 152
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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Thank GOD Guangzhou canceled all classes tomorrow and Monday because of sports.
I'm going triple - 2k plus airfare for the Great Wall if he can pacify my numbnuts. Train fare??
Any day of the week.
I'm running the book. Bet 10 to win 30. I'm not a mathetician. Double or nothing. |
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Miles Smiles

Joined: 07 Jun 2010 Posts: 1294 Location: Heebee Jeebee
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Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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While I suppose it's nice to be nice, this sort of defeats the profession.
The reason every Chinese person assumes that English "teachers" are NOT teachers is demonstrated here.
As a teacher, you should confine your relationship to the school/classroom.
Taking your students out to dinner and hanging out with them, etc. shows you are not a teacher, but just some social guy who came here temporarily.
That's why the country doesn't take us professionals seriously. |
I couldn't disagree more with this statement. The universities that I attended back home encouraged group social activities with students and faculty. Departments themselves often held parties for graduate students. Professors themselves often held parties IN THEIR HOMES.
Is this unprofessional? I think not. Throwing a year-end party doesn't constitute "hanging out" with his students. An experienced teacher knows the difference and knows where to draw the line.
I do agree that when a teacher socializes with his students on a regular basis without all present, that IS unprofessional.
A Christmas party? Come on. Be real. |
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Kiwi303
Joined: 20 Nov 2010 Posts: 165 Location: Chong Qing Jiao Tong Da Xue, Xue Fu Da Dao, Nan An Qu, Chong Qing Shi, P. R China
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:21 am Post subject: |
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| Trifaro wrote: |
I'm running the book. Bet 10 to win 30. I'm not a mathetician. Double or nothing. |
You take paypal? I've $20 US that says GWOW can make at least one stand on his head while singing in english. |
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wangdaning
Joined: 22 Jan 2008 Posts: 3154
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Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:58 am Post subject: |
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I just called 3 different Chinese English teachers that I'm friendly with. None of them have invited students to their apartment for dinner. 1 said she gives them her email but doesn't reply. Another said she doesn't give them her email, but created a QQ Group for the class in which she basically posts group messages about the class; she doesn't chat with them. The 3rd said he doesn't reveal any personal information. All said they didn't give out their numbers. |
Now that is just unprofessional, or showing that assessments at your school are not serious. I hope they have office hours or something for students to clarify. I don't give out my phone #, QQ, msn, skype, or anything, but an email will always be answered. If a student wants to talk about an assignment, especially if I have given it, it is my job to help them. This also keeps it to teaching, you are the teacher, and gives you a chance to gauge their willingness.
Back to the OP, why not mention in class you would like to have a dinner. In the past my students have been quite happy to organize dinners and invite me. Split the class up in groups have them all organize a class dinner. They can then present their ideas and vote on the best. Get them to do the work, no need to pay for it all, they probably wouldn't want that. |
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Guerciotti

Joined: 13 Feb 2009 Posts: 842 Location: In a sleazy bar killing all the bad guys.
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 3:45 am Post subject: |
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I have 1000 rmb that says most of you reading this wouldn't last a day doing what I do = edutain. Dancing Monkey to the bone. 6.5 years and counting.
Oral English Mercenary |
Are you serious? Where are you? I could bring my guitar and entertain for 8 to 10 hours if you like. Or I could be very lazy and just bring a laptop, play songs, and sing a cappella. I think I'm dreaming, teach for a day with no preparation, no book, no writing. Care to raise the ante? I have free time in January, and I'd like to buy another guitar.
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Trifaro
Joined: 10 Nov 2010 Posts: 152
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:00 am Post subject: |
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"...entertain....."
Edutaining is different than just playing a guitar, singing songs or watching a movie. The kids have fun and actually learn something when the class is over.
As previously stated, my students aren't the cream of the crop and will probably never speak English again after our time together is over, other than "Bye Bye".
They do have to pass the CET 4 in order to graduate, so I focus on new vocabulary. Most of them have no idea what "pants" are etc... They also learn more about American culture and now know that if they ask someone in the US - "Do you have a rubber?" they'll be given something different than what they thought! |
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MisterButtkins
Joined: 03 Oct 2009 Posts: 1221
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:00 am Post subject: |
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In my Chinese class at the university I went to in the US our Chinese TA invited the class out for dinner after classes were over. Some of the people went to a Chinese restaurant and ate dinner. Are people really suggesting that a teacher's professionalism is being sullied simply by having a get-together at the end of the year?
Another thing is that a lot of people who work in smaller towns might not have a lot of social options available to them; their students might be the only people in the town who can speak English. Is it better for the teacher to become stir-crazy? And if I need help going to the bank or buying something strange or difficult, my students are the people I ask to help me, as the FAO at my school is a lazy bitch. Am I unprofessional now?
Certainly I would agree that most university professors in the United States do not hang out with their students outside of class, but here I feel it's quite a different situation. Unlike many professors in the United States, I don't stand in front of a class of 50+ students lecturing for an hour straight before giving assignments that I have my teaching assistants grade. The classes I teach currently have between 8-20 students and I do talk to them as a friend during and after class, as I view it as part of my job to get them to have more relaxed conversations in English that are interesting to them. If a side effect of this is that I end up having dinner with some of them every once in awhile, then whatever. I've never felt that I was compromising the quality of the education my students received by doing this, and isn't that the important thing? If the Chinese teachers view me as inferior because of this, I could care less. Their opinion does not effect my current or future employment. |
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Kiwi303
Joined: 20 Nov 2010 Posts: 165 Location: Chong Qing Jiao Tong Da Xue, Xue Fu Da Dao, Nan An Qu, Chong Qing Shi, P. R China
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| So could you clarify this for me? How does having a picnic with your students or other social event off campus differ from the run of English Corners which mainly appear as described on this forum to be a social event on campus but out of class where english is used. |
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kev7161
Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 5880 Location: Suzhou, China
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 1:35 am Post subject: |
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During my first ever summer camp here, I really bonded with my high-school aged students. Beyond classes and camp activities, we arranged times to go out to KFC together, movies, swimming, shopping . . .
When I started teaching at a high school level in Hangzhou, the same thing happened. Certainly not all my students were eager to go out with me, but some did. I'm fairly certain going out for this occasion or that in the two years that I taught there did not make them think less of me in my classrooms. To be honest, most of the kids that I did socialize with (to be clear, only very occasionally) were actually some of the most well-behaved of my students and who were mastering the language. I'm sure they were excited about getting to go out with a foreigner and they could practice their English and have an away-from-school good time. I've no doubt their parents probably encouraged these sorts of outings. Now, several years later, these kids have long graduated college (!) and I'm still in contact with a few of them. |
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YankeeDoodleDandy
Joined: 17 Aug 2004 Posts: 428 Location: Xi'an , Shaanxi China
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Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 2:56 pm Post subject: Trifaro vs.GWoW |
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| Trifaro Check out the book, How to Be A More Successful Language Learner by Thompson Press Book # 11 out of 19. For CET 4 For Listening If they list a height, measurement, distance or the number of stories or floors a building has, have them write it down ie Yao Ming is 2.26 meters tall A B C D Be careful of the questions Which one is NOT ? ORRRRR All of the below EXCEPT. They're trick questions < I hope this helps. YDD |
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