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Rooster_2006



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shimokitazawa wrote:
Good question. I know that the Taiwan MoE won't recognize distance or online B.A, M.A. or Ph.D degrees.

What about in Japan?
This is not entirely true, actually.

I got a valid ARC and residence visa in Taiwan with merely an AA in Liberal Arts from Excelsior College (distance education) and a CELTA (in Taiwan, AA+TEFL can be substituted for a bachelor's degree).

They only have that limitation for teaching in PUBLIC schools, not buxibans (which are the equivalent of eikaiwa/juku).

The thing about public schools is this -- not only do they require a brick-and-mortar degree, they also require a teacher's license (!). Therefore, even if I had a brick-and-mortar degree, PS would be out of the question here, anyway.

Besides, even though public schools in Taiwan claim to not allow online degrees, I've seen their website which allows you to see which degrees they DO accept, and both U. of Phoenix and Excelsior College are on there.

I think what Taiwan essentially means is "we don't accept pieces of paper printed out and sent from diploma mills."

As for Japan, well, yes, I posted a thread a couple years back about Excelsior and did manage to locate a dude who was teaching in Japan on an EC degree. I don't think Japanese immigration makes a big stink about online degrees, anyway, as long as they're accredited. And if they do, It'll just be a matter of getting A) another bachelor's degree, something that I planned to do anyway, or B) getting another 1.5 years of teaching experience so I can make it an even three years for the Specialist in Humanities Visa.

I probably just won't mention how the degree was earned unless they ask. If they do, I'll simply state the truth "my university let me finish the bachelor's degree while I was teaching in Taiwan -- they required me to go to Taipei and take my exams at a Pearson VUE Center." See, doesn't sound so bad. Laughing

@Glenski

Yes, you need to be enrolled at a school in Korea to get a student visa there. I was enrolled at Yonsei University Korean Language Institute for my visa (and managed to pass all the classes), and THEN took online courses (and self-studied for for-credit exams), and in order to support this extraordinarily expensive proposition, I tutored, taught at kindies, and taught at hagwons. However, due to having to pay out double tuition (tuition to the US and tuition to Yonsei in Korea), I had basically nothing left over. I'm so glad that era of my life is behind me and I can finally save some money instead of constantly, endlessly hemorrhaging it for four years. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:
As for Japan, well, yes, I posted a thread a couple years back about Excelsior and did manage to locate a dude who was teaching in Japan on an EC degree. I don't think Japanese immigration makes a big stink about online degrees, anyway, as long as they're accredited.
I believe I already said that.

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And if they do, It'll just be a matter of getting A) another bachelor's degree
Why do you feel you need another bachelor's degree if yours from EC is accredited?

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I probably just won't mention how the degree was earned unless they ask. If they do, I'll simply state the truth "my university let me finish the bachelor's degree while I was teaching in Taiwan
Unless Excelsior College comes up on someone's radar at immigration, nobody will ask, and the less you say, the better.

Thanks for the explanation of your student status. Finally, a concrete answer that is easy to understand!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Rooster_2006 wrote:
As for Japan, well, yes, I posted a thread a couple years back about Excelsior and did manage to locate a dude who was teaching in Japan on an EC degree. I don't think Japanese immigration makes a big stink about online degrees, anyway, as long as they're accredited.
I believe I already said that.

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And if they do, It'll just be a matter of getting A) another bachelor's degree
Why do you feel you need another bachelor's degree if yours from EC is accredited?
It's accredited, but it's only an online Bachelor of Science in Liberal Studies...

Not exactly a killer degree when it comes to finding jobs...

I fully intend to work on another degree, even though MOFA will probably accept this BSL.

I'm not sure yet whether this subsequent degree will be a master's or another bachelor's. It's complicated.

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I probably just won't mention how the degree was earned unless they ask. If they do, I'll simply state the truth "my university let me finish the bachelor's degree while I was teaching in Taiwan
Unless Excelsior College comes up on someone's radar at immigration, nobody will ask, and the less you say, the better.

Thanks for the explanation of your student status. Finally, a concrete answer that is easy to understand!
What can I say, I'm an enigma. Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:
It's accredited, but it's only an online Bachelor of Science in Liberal Studies...

Not exactly a killer degree when it comes to finding jobs...
Haven't you been reading posts since January? Most newcomers have only a BA degree unrelated to teaching/education. You're in the same boat as your competition. I thought you were the confident one!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Rooster_2006 wrote:
It's accredited, but it's only an online Bachelor of Science in Liberal Studies...

Not exactly a killer degree when it comes to finding jobs...
Haven't you been reading posts since January? Most newcomers have only a BA degree unrelated to teaching/education. You're in the same boat as your competition. I thought you were the confident one!
I'm confident that I can find an eikaiwa/juku job. That's why I got the online BSL in the first place -- it was the quickest, cheapest route to being legally allowed to teach English in Korea and Japan. I started really working on it in earnest back in '07 (when I was living in Seoul) for that specific purpose, believe it or not. Laughing

However, if I like Japan and decide to stay for a while, I'll probably want to upgrade from the eikaiwa/juku at some point.

Depending on what I want to do, I may need an additional degree. I'll wait and see.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay guys, here are some questions:
1. Is February 2 - 8 too early to interview?

Because I get all those days off for Chinese New Year, and I'm theorizing that maybe I can apply to several dozen different jobs prior to that, stating that I'm "available to interview in Japan" and then schedule all the interviews for that week. Then I can fly to Japan as soon as I get off work on Tuesday night, do a blitzkrieg of interviews (and hopefully snag something), and then head back to Taiwan for work the following Tuesday (when I start working again). Then enter Japan in April with a job!

This would allow me to be physically present in Japan for the interviews without breaking or violating my Taiwan contract, since the job would likely start in April, a few days after my contract in Taiwan ends. Cool

2. Does Japan shut down from February 2 - 8, too? Or does it only shut down for one day (Setsubun)?

If I did that, I guess I'd have to skip the WWOOF stage. Oh well.

Oh, and here's my third question:
3. If I am unable to snag a job in the Spring, how big is the "minor surge" for October hirings?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rooster_2006 wrote:
Okay guys, here are some questions:
1. Is February 2 - 8 too early to interview?
In my opinion, no. Assuming the start date is April 1st, that gives you 8 weeks to get a visa and move here.


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2. Does Japan shut down from February 2 - 8, too? Or does it only shut down for one day (Setsubun)?
The whole country never shuts down. The time frame you describe is well after any major national holiday period. http://www.officeholidays.com/countries/japan/2011.asp

Setsubun is not a national holiday,by the way.


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3. If I am unable to snag a job in the Spring, how big is the "minor surge" for October hirings?
How long is a piece of string? What sort of exactitude are you looking for here? There are a few 6-month contracts that start in April, so openings exist for October. How many? Who can say? In what sector (eikaiwa, ALT, uni, etc.)? Again, who can say. Just take it for granted that there may be some slight bump in hiring prior to October and deal with it as best as you can.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, then I'll probably skip the WWOOF phase and send out a load of resumes and apply for a bunch of jobs prior to February 2.

Through talking with you guys, I have come to realize that the Specialist in Humanities is much more stable than I had initially thought, and I can probably skip the WWOOF phase in a pinch and just begin teaching.

Then I'll try to schedule as many interviews as I can from February 2 - 8, during which I can be present in Japan without interfering with/sacrificing my job in Taiwan.

Hopefully I'll get hired then and be able to walk right into a job in April, but if that doesn't happen, I can send out another flurry of applications in early-to-mid-March and schedule another bucket load of interviews from March 26 - 31.

Essentially this plan will give me 12 days in Japan during peak hiring season, at least eight of which are non-holiday business days... Provided I send out a ton of applications for any and every job (at least 50 applications), I bet I can schedule at least a dozen interviews during those two times and probably land something... We'll see...
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rooster 2006 wrote:
I'm confident that I can find an eikaiwa/juku job. That's why I got the online BSL in the first place -- it was the quickest, cheapest route to being legally allowed to teach English in Korea and Japan. I started really working on it in earnest back in '07 (when I was living in Seoul) for that specific purpose, believe it or not. Laughing

However, if I like Japan and decide to stay for a while, I'll probably want to upgrade from the eikaiwa/juku at some point.
You have already posted that one major reason to get into Japan is not to teach but to set yourself up in your programming/software biz. What gives here with the mixed messages (again)?
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Yeah, what gives?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Glenski and genesis315

Ummm...

Am I being cross-examined?

Sometimes I change my mind.

Other times, I don't change my mind, but getting to something really great requires multiple intermediate steps.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, people change their minds. You seem to do it suddenly and without any warning to readers here. We're trying to help, but we give advice based on what you provide. Tell us one week that you just want a food in the door, and then another week that you want to teach for a career, and that's just plain confusing and unhelpful.

Would you at least answer this:

At this point in time, what are your long-term goals for living/working in Japan?
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Glenski wrote:
Yes, people change their minds. You seem to do it suddenly and without any warning to readers here. We're trying to help, but we give advice based on what you provide. Tell us one week that you just want a food in the door, and then another week that you want to teach for a career, and that's just plain confusing and unhelpful.

Would you at least answer this:

At this point in time, what are your long-term goals for living/working in Japan?
I think part of it is you confusing various stages of my plan. You are assuming "he said he wanted to be a programmer and now he's saying he wants to be an eikaiwa teacher -- he's contradicting himself."

No. I'm not. I just haven't gone into the specifics so far because I figured no one wanted to read them.

But since you have repeatedly asked on this thread what my plans are, I will tell you exactly what my plans are.
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I have always had three general stages, and this has not changed.

Specifics, like which country to do this, which specific visa to use, and what specific jobs I want to do, have changed.

Let me make it very clear what my long-term plan is. This long-term plan has remained unaltered for about five years.
1. Get my foot in the door in Asia (only Korea or Japan have ever really been on the table -- China, Hong Kong, and Taiwan are out of the question because I do not know what developments will take place between the US and China many years from now).
2. Get stability (stable visa, in particular).
3. Transition to a job I enjoy, eventually, AFTER achieving stability.

These three steps really haven't changed at all in at least five years.

Now, the optimal way to implement them changes all the time. Constantly shifting immigration regulations (especially in Korea, where they seem to change the laws about once a month) create a moving target. Therefore, it is unreasonable to expect my plans to never deviate and follow a perfectly straight trajectory when the target is constantly moving...
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AT PRESENT, here is my five-year plan, but please note that this may change based on immigration regulations, job conditions, and other factors:

Step 1: Foot in the Door (six months from now):
- Move to either Korea or Japan
- Either teach at an eikaiwa/juku (if Japan) or proofread/work at an office or teach as a last resort (if Korea)

Step 2: Stability: (hopefully at most 1.5 years from now):
- Get a Specialist in Humanities or Instructor visa (if Japan) or an F-2-7 (if Korea)
- Learn Japanese to a JLPT N2 Level (if Japan) or KLPT Level 5 (if Korea, and this is already complete)
- Figure out what I want to do for a long-term career and get the qualifications necessary to reach that goal (either Japan OR Korea).

Step 3: Long-Term Gratification (hopefully at most five years from now):
- Finally move into one of the following jobs (though this list may not include everything I would consider):
- Translations
- Teaching adults only
- IT
- Self-employment

Please note that I am not sure at this point which of these jobs I want to do in five years' time. Which long-term career I pick will ultimately be determined by market demand, the enjoyability of the work, etc. and I would be getting ahead of myself to speculate too specifically about five years from now.

Therefore, you see, Glenski, "being an eikaiwa teacher" is not incompatible with being a translator, uni teacher, IT worker, or self-employed business owner AT A LATER DATE.
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Thanks for those details. I'm a big one for clarity as you can see.

Let me make a few comments about some of what you wrote. I hope others would chip in, too.

To get your foot in the door in Japan, I think you have realized that you need a visa for starters. The easiest way is usually to be an English teacher, so you would have to shoot for an ALT job (JET or dispatch, and need an Instructor work visa) or an eikaiwa job (requires the Specialist in Humanities/International Relations work visa).

Any "stability" beyond the first 12 months is fluid. Nobody can guarantee a thing unless you get a spouse visa or PR. Visas are usually issued one year at a time, and getting one that is for 3 years is essentially luck of the draw (even a spouse visa). Immigration is pondering a 5-year visa for people who have proven Japanese language fluency, but they have not instituted that yet, and they haven't even described how they will assess such fluency.

I think it's critical that you realize the looseness of the "stability" you seek here. Teachers in particular need (or should) be on the ball for the next opportunity. You've posed hypothetical situations that could or could not adversely affect one's visa situation. I would hope that by now you would have understood from me and others that nobody has a crystal ball on which way things would go. Yes, some people end up going home with the hypotheticals you cited. Probably most EFL teachers here choose to go home after 1-3 years. (There's a link somewhere that supports this, but I can't find it at the moment.)

Once you've got your head around those 2 points, you can comfortably work on transitioning. Work visa status may be an issue, as you know. If you can't get PR, you will need a proper visa, whether it is issued for 1 or 3 years. I would figure that PR is something you would want, but only if you really enjoy living here. So, here's another point to consider even before you deal with transitioning:
Will you like it here enough to stay long-term? Obviously, you don't know until you've had some experience here, so the best advice I can give is to keep your eyes open to what's happening to foreigners and the market place (the EFL one and the one you think you might transition to).

Assuming you have no major problems with how Japan treats you, transitioning to a new field means you have to meet visa requirements. I suspect you won't be here long enough to get PR before you want to change jobs, so the visa issue is a real one. Learn what is needed for the visa you will need. After that, get what you need! It may be experience or more language ability or contacts or any number of things. If you want to set up a business that earns money outside Japan, you are not going to have an easy time unless you have a proper visa for some other sort of situation. Keep this in mind. If you want to earn money on your own in Japan, there is a visa for that.

You wrote about "Constantly shifting immigration regulations", but I don't see that in Japan. Gears of bureaucracy here turn slowly. Nothing much is going to change soon, so there is no "moving target". Just keep apprised of what is happening (by visiting forums like this as well as others), and hope that things don't change for the worse. There is nothing else you can do to ensure security there!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 5:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Thanks for those details. I'm a big one for clarity as you can see.

Let me make a few comments about some of what you wrote. I hope others would chip in, too.

To get your foot in the door in Japan, I think you have realized that you need a visa for starters. The easiest way is usually to be an English teacher, so you would have to shoot for an ALT job (JET or dispatch, and need an Instructor work visa) or an eikaiwa job (requires the Specialist in Humanities/International Relations work visa).

Any "stability" beyond the first 12 months is fluid. Nobody can guarantee a thing unless you get a spouse visa or PR. Visas are usually issued one year at a time, and getting one that is for 3 years is essentially luck of the draw (even a spouse visa). Immigration is pondering a 5-year visa for people who have proven Japanese language fluency, but they have not instituted that yet, and they haven't even described how they will assess such fluency.

I think it's critical that you realize the looseness of the "stability" you seek here. Teachers in particular need (or should) be on the ball for the next opportunity. You've posed hypothetical situations that could or could not adversely affect one's visa situation. I would hope that by now you would have understood from me and others that nobody has a crystal ball on which way things would go. Yes, some people end up going home with the hypotheticals you cited. Probably most EFL teachers here choose to go home after 1-3 years. (There's a link somewhere that supports this, but I can't find it at the moment.)

Once you've got your head around those 2 points, you can comfortably work on transitioning. Work visa status may be an issue, as you know. If you can't get PR, you will need a proper visa, whether it is issued for 1 or 3 years. I would figure that PR is something you would want, but only if you really enjoy living here. So, here's another point to consider even before you deal with transitioning:
Will you like it here enough to stay long-term? Obviously, you don't know until you've had some experience here, so the best advice I can give is to keep your eyes open to what's happening to foreigners and the market place (the EFL one and the one you think you might transition to).

Assuming you have no major problems with how Japan treats you, transitioning to a new field means you have to meet visa requirements. I suspect you won't be here long enough to get PR before you want to change jobs, so the visa issue is a real one. Learn what is needed for the visa you will need. After that, get what you need! It may be experience or more language ability or contacts or any number of things. If you want to set up a business that earns money outside Japan, you are not going to have an easy time unless you have a proper visa for some other sort of situation. Keep this in mind. If you want to earn money on your own in Japan, there is a visa for that.
Yes, I am aware that in theory, my situation is not 100% (or even 99%) iron-clad until I get eijuuken.

However, I think the Specialist in Humanities visa is *reasonably* stable.

As long as I stay employed at 200K yen per month with no gaps bigger than 2 - 3 months, it sounds like I'll be able to keep getting renewals. And if I truly can't find a job that pays 200K yen per month and am facing non-renewal, in a pinch, I can quickly enroll in classes and get onto a student visa temporarily while continuing to hunt for jobs. So I think that short of a conspiracy or a horrible catastrophe like a war, I could probably live fairly stably in Japan until reaching the 10-year mark (although based on what I'm reading in the papers, I doubt it will remain at 10 years for much longer).

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You wrote about "Constantly shifting immigration regulations", but I don't see that in Japan. Gears of bureaucracy here turn slowly. Nothing much is going to change soon, so there is no "moving target". Just keep apprised of what is happening (by visiting forums like this as well as others), and hope that things don't change for the worse. There is nothing else you can do to ensure security there!
In Japan, they appear not to shift very much.

In Korea, huge sweeping changes are made on nearly a monthly basis.

Part of my internal "Japan vs. Korea" debate is complicated by this.

Additionally, every time the EFL market in Japan crashes (such as the NOVA bankruptcy), that complicates the decision, too.

And to top it all off, Japan is discussing *MAYBE* instituting fast-track, five-year PR for certain qualified individuals (via a points system, recent source from last month: http://www.debito.org/?p=7929). They toss out some teaser every few months or so, then stay quiet about it for a while...
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