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carl_00
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 Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:59 pm Post subject: i-to-i 120hr Online TEFL |
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Greetings.
Has anyone trained online with i-to-i? Any good? Would it be a well received certificate around Asia - Korea, China? |
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naturegirl321
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they're ok, not the best. Best are
SIT
CELTA
Trinity
You really should have practice teaching students and many online courses don't offer that. |
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tttompatz
Joined: 06 Mar 2010
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Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines
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| Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 2:35 am Post subject: Re: i-to-i 120hr Online TEFL |
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| carl_00 wrote: |
Greetings.
Has anyone trained online with i-to-i? Any good? Would it be a well received certificate around Asia - Korea, China? |
Korea = any brand will do (bachelors degree required).
China = any brand will do (bachelors degree preferred (required in many cases)).
Japan = any brand will do (bachelors degree preferred but there are legal ways around it if you don't have one).
Thailand = (bachelors degree required for MOST cases). In regards to the TESOL cert a CELTA is the preferred brand followed by Trinity and SIT followed by any other "in class TESOL" followed by an on-line (at the bottom of the list).
The standard (by which to judge) is 120 hours with 6 hours of observed practicum (with real students).
Do be aware that if you do NOT have a bachelors degree to go with it then your chances of LEGAL employment in Asia are getting pretty slim and you will need more than an on-line course to get you past the "send us your resume" stage of the application process.
Also be aware that in Europe (as an example) an on-line course will largely be discounted as "no course" and the top 3 are CELTA, Trinity, SIT.
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carl_00
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Cheers guys. Got the BA. I know Celta is the best to have on resume but I'm not prepared to spend that kind of money just yet. If i-to-i is the best behind those 3 naturegirl then it seems to be one of the better online courses; I'm more interested in doing it to just get a taster of what TEFL would be like in more serious scenarios than a Korean Hagwon  . |
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HigherEdJoe
Joined: 10 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:21 am Post subject: Never studied with I to I but I have with LinguaEdge |
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I have not taken any courses with I to I but I am taking the LinguaEdge 100 hr certificate course and it is quite in depth. It has alot of good information on teaching students at different levels and so far It has made me feel more comfortable with teaching for the first time. Plus LinguaEdge has a 150 hour course for less than the 120hr I to I course.
My two sense. Good luck with the studying. |
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smithrn1983
Joined: 23 Jul 2010
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Location: Moscow
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| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:41 am Post subject: |
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| carl_00 wrote: |
| I'm more interested in doing it to just get a taster of what TEFL would be like in more serious scenarios than a Korean Hagwon . |
Any of the 'more serious' schools is going to require a classroom course. I-to-I is usually discounted completely. That said, teaching at an eikaiwa, for instance, might not be a bad option for you. You'll get a taste of what teaching foreign students is like, learn some methodology, live in a foreign country, and generally earn a decent salary. If you decide you like teaching, you can always get a CELTA or Trinity later. |
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naturegirl321
Joined: 04 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| carl_00 wrote: |
| Cheers guys. Got the BA. I know Celta is the best to have on resume but I'm not prepared to spend that kind of money just yet. If i-to-i is the best behind those 3 naturegirl then it seems to be one of the better online courses; I'm more interested in doing it to just get a taster of what TEFL would be like in more serious scenarios than a Korean Hagwon . |
First, you don't need the Celta, MOST TEFL courses are just peachy as long as they have the practical component.
Second, I never said that i to i is the best behind those three. I said it was ok.
Third, There are some on this site, who advocate the generic TEFL courses as CELTA is very scripted. Just my two cents. I've never not been hired simply because I didn't have a CELTA. |
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nickpellatt
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| Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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i-i is substandard. If you want to learn methodology, save $$$ and buy a decent book like 'learning teaching' by Scrivener, or something from the 'how to ... ' series by Scott Thornbury. Either or all would teach more than an i-i or similar online course IMO.
I did a shorter i-i course with a business english module in 2007. Waste of time really, and I later (2008) did a Trinity Cert TESOL. They just dont compare. Not only are they not in the same ballpark, I sometimes think they arent even the same sport!
Online courses generally exist for one reason. To part you from your money.
HOWEVER, there are some regions and perhaps some employers, who will accept any certificate to satisfy their own rules or regulations. If you are taking an online course to satisfy this requirement, just choose the cheapest. Granted, some may be better than others, but ultimately, they are all substandard and if you remain in EFL and move to other regions and other employers, you may find you need to take the CELTA/Trinity or equivalent that you arent taking now. |
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Kendall_Zu
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First time post.
I too have had the same question.
According to their website, they offer a 140 hour course that includes 20 hours of classroom learning and two opportunities to practice teaching a class. At $600 this isn't exactly cheap, but compared to SIT or CELTA courses which easily top $2,000, it is very reasonable. Also, these more prestigious courses must be taken in New York or the West coast in the US , while I-I offers courses in Chicago (more convenient as I live in Indiana currently). On top of this, they also claim to offer help in finding work afterward.
But, all of these advantages are worthless if it doesn't help me get a job afterward, so with this taken into account, could it be a good alternative for me?> |
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tttompatz
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Kendall_Zu wrote: |
First time post.
I too have had the same question.
According to their website, they offer a 140 hour course that includes 20 hours of classroom learning and two opportunities to practice teaching a class. At $600 this isn't exactly cheap, but compared to SIT or CELTA courses which easily top $2,000, it is very reasonable. Also, these more prestigious courses must be taken in New York or the West coast in the US , while I-I offers courses in Chicago (more convenient as I live in Indiana currently). On top of this, they also claim to offer help in finding work afterward.
But, all of these advantages are worthless if it doesn't help me get a job afterward, so with this taken into account, could it be a good alternative for me?> |
AS mentioned in my earlier post, it largely depends on WHERE on EARTH do you want to work.
Can they help you find work = yes, but so can any one of several hundred recruiting agencies and they won't cost you anything. In practice, most TESOL courses who offer placements after completion usually farm you out to the least desirable locations (lower pay, fewer benefits and usually places than have difficulty recruiting a teacher).
IF you don't already have a degree then you have already eliminated about 1/2 the planet when it comes to looking for a job (even with a tesol certification).
IF you do have the degree then the TESOL cert (any brand) is largely about personal/professional development (it won't be required in most countries if you already have a degree (in anything)).
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Kendall_Zu
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Thanks.
I will complete my degree in International Communication next year and was considering TESOL certification afterward.
It is good to know that having a degree is of great value in finding the work I want.
I will probably, knowing this, still take the course, or one like it, for the tools for teaching for the first time. |
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Prof.Gringo
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| Just take a CELTA. It is the most widely recognized name and it carries some weight. Having a degree and a CELTA will open many doors. |
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coledavis
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| Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Generally, online courses are not well-received and, in a recession and thus an employers' market, even less so now. Look at job advertisements. They'll give you a clue: CELTA they cry.. Online courses are only cheap in terms of the cost price. |
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HigherEdJoe
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| Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 4:14 pm Post subject: My two sense |
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| Frankly yes the CELTA and Trinity programs are the best for you to do. However it really also depends on what you plan on doing in the future. IF you want to make a career out of TESOL then ok go ahead and spend the money on those certs, or for that matter go get your MS. But if you are just planning on doing it for a few years then its not really worth the cost to do the CELTA or Trinity. A certificate with some practical training and supervision is all you really need (aside from the BA/BS). At least this is what seems to apply in most of Asia. |
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