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School-Printed Contract vs SAFEA-printed contract
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Teatime of Soul



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 26, 2010 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you inferred the OP was asking merely as to ascertain a proper style of stationary, then you inferred differently than I did.

But, if you have some tips on paper bond, watermarking, or perhaps whether cream or ecru is superior, etc., by all means, elucidate.

Cheers.
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igorG



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inferring Rolling Eyes

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What advice can you offer newcomers in ensuring they are not working illegally in China?
Have a thick skin. Don't complain. Smile all the time. Don't ask for anything unless absolutely neccessary. Keep your students happy at all times even if it means they don't learn. You are legally working if your passport is stamped.
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Teatime of Soul



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You are legally working if your passport is stamped.


Perhaps you missed the previous post where I recounted how a teacher was drummed from China with a six day exit visa even though his passport was "stamped". It was stamped under the name of a different employer than the one he was actually working at, quite far away.

It might be more accurate to state the one is working legally if one's passport is stamped by the appropriate controlling authorities.

If that was your intent, then I would fully agree.

As for how smiling, and keeping students happy ensures one is legally employed, I missed the connection. But, it would probably go a long way towards keeping a legal job.

In any event, have a happy holidays.

Cheers.
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johntpartee



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Have a thick skin. Don't complain. Smile all the time. Don't ask for anything unless absolutely neccessary. Keep your students happy at all times even if it means they don't learn


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it would probably go a long way towards keeping a legal job


Yeah, but who'd wanna keep a job like that? Let me amend that: I wouldn't want to keep a job like that
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igorG



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are scores of FTs working on mainland, aren't there?

Teatime of Soul wrote:
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You are legally working if your passport is stamped.


Perhaps you missed the previous post where I recounted how a teacher was drummed from China with a six day exit visa even though his passport was "stamped". It was stamped under the name of a different employer than the one he was actually working at, quite far away.

It might be more accurate to state the one is working legally if one's passport is stamped by the appropriate controlling authorities.
Perhaps I missed something. So, let me rephrase that; You are legally working if your passport is stamped by the same employer you are working for.However, be careful about being sent elsewhere by your employers or being rented out. That gets tricky and it often depends on your employer's connections.

As for the SAFEA as an approrpiate or controlling authority, it's unwise to expect much in a sense of a professional or reasonable approach to issues FTs may have. They often are led to believe they are taken care of, and then left out to deal with issues on their own. The SAFEA new database, according to FTs on mainland, serves mostly the local employers who unilaterally decide to "blacklist" them. The fact also is that even some employers who aren't with this organization use it to further their own personal vendetta against the FTs that've raised their worries with the local companies/schools/centers. Such a filthy organization should not be respected at all.

Finally, who would take an organization that tests its Foreign Expert applicants in Chinglish seriously? I'd say stay away for as long as you can.
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Teatime of Soul



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fact is, SAFEA, at least in our area, is out of the FT arbitration business altogether. Our school was just told no more SAFEA contracts will be issued. Whatever the school and the FT sign is it - No recourse except that provided in the contract.

If this proves to be a national trend, then there will likely be room for considerable variance between contracts.

That has potentially good and bad points, but it is too early to tell what the future will look like in this regard.
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