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dgrey1986
Joined: 08 Aug 2010
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 Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:33 pm Post subject: Help with teaching English in Japan |
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Hi,
I would just like some help and advice. Currently I have been looking for teaching positions in Japan (the Kanto region only). I had originally been looking for Eikaiwa positions but I dont mind working as an ALT either now. The main reason I was looking for Eikaiwa positions was mainly due to the afternoon start times. But I thought if I really want to go to Japan I cant afford to be picky.
So far I already have two interviews set up. one with Shane English School and the other with Peppy Kids Club. Could anyone give me some more information about the two whether it is good or bad?
I was just curious if anyone could give me some names of reputable companies and/or companies to stay away from?
About me: I have a degree (non-English related), CELTA and some experience teaching in China.
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Do you want people to do all your research for you? Asking for names of reputable schools falls into that category. Plus, the word reputable is pretty vague, as many will have some faults.
You're interviewing with Shane and asking about what are bad schools? Some would say you are looking at one.
Have you even looked at the FAQ stickies yet?
When do you want to start?
Are you planning to interview in Japan or via Skype from China?
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| I thought if I really want to go to Japan I cant afford to be picky. |
Aside from trying to stay away from the more obviously bad places, then this is a good thought nowadays. |
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sabina
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I would hardly qualify as an expert on working in Japan but after a successful job search I think I can reasonably offer this bit of advice:
Limiting yourself to only looking for work in the Kanto region will limit your chances of finding a job. I think tons and tons of people want to work in the Kanto region so the competition is quite stiff.
Have you been to the site Perkle? They have a bunch of job ads. Send out as many resumes as you can. Good luck! |
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dynastar
Joined: 24 Sep 2010
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| glenski sounds like the generic rude e-figure you find on these esl boards haha, I wonder why so many whiny people continue respond in an annoyed manner when they could just ignore certain posts altogether or answer questions directly instead of through snide comments, sigh that's people for ya. |
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seklarwia
Joined: 20 Jan 2009
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Location: Monkey onsen, Nagano
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| Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:30 am Post subject: |
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| dynastar wrote: |
| glenski sounds like the generic rude e-figure you find on these esl boards haha, I wonder why so many whiny people continue respond in an annoyed manner when they could just ignore certain posts altogether or answer questions directly instead of through snide comments, sigh that's people for ya. |
Sure his tone can seem snide on occasions... I don't believe this is one. And he has raised a very valid point... what does the OP mean by 'reputable'. There are all shades of reputable in the industry these days, so without the OP being more specific about what they want, we can't give them much of an answer.
And I agree with him (and I don't always by any means!) about people doing their own leg work. And quite frankly, it is annoying to see and have to answer the same questions day in and day out. If the OP had run a search on these two schools, they would have found more than a few very recent posts about them. If the OP had looked at the stickies they would have found a list of resources to help with job hunting.
I think you should take your own advice and ignore his posts if you don't like them especially if you have nothing more informative to add... take your trolling else where. |
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shoegazer
Joined: 15 Nov 2010
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I agree with seklarwia. I feel compelled to say that Glenski is at least pointing the OP in the right direction, and he's often the first to do so with new posters asking for help. I figure it can get annoying when you get people signing up and asking the same questions over and over when a simple search would easily answer their questions, no offense to the OP of course. It's like calling up technical support when reading the first page of the manual would solve the problem. For the record, reading Glenski's extensive backlog of posts on the net has been so helpful to my Japanese ESL pursuits that I'd argue it could be considered a resource all its own, so to call him a "generic rude e-figure" is far from warranted.
To the OP, from what I understand PKC is one of the better smaller eikaiwa out there, so I'd definitely put on my game face for that interview. I'd be more careful about Shane. If you want to try others, try ECC and AEON. You can run a simple Google search and apply online, provided you're willing to travel to Toronto to interview for either company. I can only speak from personal experience about ECC, and I would recommend them as my impression of them thus far (I've been hired and am awaiting placement) has been nothing short of professional. |
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dgrey1986
Joined: 08 Aug 2010
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Location: London, England
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Thanks for your advice/help everyone. I will check out some of the sites you have suggested. Also by reputable I mean a company that has a better reputation than others. For example Interac may have a better reputation than Borderlink or Hearts but that doesn't necessarily mean Interac is great but it is just better than those two for instance.
So if anyone could give me some advice along those lines I would really appreciate it.
Also If I decided to work part-time (maybe 3 - 4 days a week) teaching English do you know how much I should look to be earning a month on average? Thank you
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Do you want people to do all your research for you? Asking for names of reputable schools falls into that category. Plus, the word reputable is pretty vague, as many will have some faults.
You're interviewing with Shane and asking about what are bad schools? Some would say you are looking at one.
Have you even looked at the FAQ stickies yet?
When do you want to start?
Are you planning to interview in Japan or via Skype from China?
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| I thought if I really want to go to Japan I cant afford to be picky. |
Aside from trying to stay away from the more obviously bad places, then this is a good thought nowadays. |
I have also looked at the FAQs and it has helped somewhat with earlier questions I had. I have already done my research about these two schools but I am finding it difficult to find any up to date information i.e from 2010. I saw that old post on japan-guide about Peppy Kids Club but that is from 2004 I think which isn't much help to me right now.
I also know Shane English School hasn't got that a good of a reputation but unfortunately Shane as well as Peppy Kids Club the only two that have offered me an interview so far. If I really do not like Shane there is nothing stopping me from leaving.
I want to start around March/April. Currently I am in London and both of the interviews I have are face-to-face in London.
If I am unable to get someone to sponsor me for a Work Visa I will just apply for a Working Holiday Visa and then go to Japan and look for work whilst I am there.
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| To the OP, from what I understand PKC is one of the better smaller eikaiwa out there, so I'd definitely put on my game face for that interview. I'd be more careful about Shane. If you want to try others, try ECC and AEON. You can run a simple Google search and apply online, provided you're willing to travel to Toronto to interview for either company. I can only speak from personal experience about ECC, and I would recommend them as my impression of them thus far (I've been hired and am awaiting placement) has been nothing short of professional. |
Thanks for your advice about PKC. Currently ECC are not taking applications from the U.K. and AEON never replied to the application I had sent them. Each of these companies conduct interviews in London. ECC would be my first choice but since early this year they have not been taking any applications from the U.K. like I said previously. I contacted them by email a few times asking them when they were likely to have interviews in the UK but due to more teachers than normal staying in their positions they were unable to give me a date of the next U.K. intake.
Thanks again for your help everyone. |
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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005
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Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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I found the following entries in a little-known guide I found entitled 'How to get straighter answers from learner-discussion-hardened ELT veterans':
reputable - see DISREPUTABLE.
disreputable adj potentially in superlative constructions, as in Who is the least/the most disreputable ELT employer in Japan? USAGE: Note that the positive form 'reputable' is very rarely or indeed never used in discussing anything to do with ELT. Compare the previous example(s) therefore with the quite hard-to-process ??Who is the least reputable ELT employer in Japan? and the positively reality-denying, synapse-melting, fit-inducing *Who is the most reputable ELT employer in Japan?
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Also by reputable I mean a company that has a better reputation than others. For example Interac may have a better reputation than Borderlink or Hearts but that doesn't necessarily mean Interac is great but it is just better than those two for instance. |
If you search the Internet, you're going to find a lot of opinions. In the most general sense, the places with the best reputation are ECC and AEON and JET Programme. Other than those (and even those 3 have their faults) it will be a case by case scenario.
Forget loser places like Borderlink or Hearts. Plenty of info out there will tell you why. Interac may be "better", but I'd even hesitate to recommend them! The best thing you can do is find an employer on your own, evaluate its contract and work conditions, and let us know so we can tell you our opinion of the place. Otherwise, it just looks like you want to use ESL Cafe to find the places for you, and that's just not practical. This is a discussion forum, not a job search organization.
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| Also If I decided to work part-time (maybe 3 - 4 days a week) teaching English do you know how much I should look to be earning a month on average? Thank you |
Unless you are eligible for a working holiday visa, I'd say skip PT work because you need a FT employer to sponsor your work visa (unless there is something you have not told us).
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| I have also looked at the FAQs and it has helped somewhat with earlier questions I had. I have already done my research about these two schools but I am finding it difficult to find any up to date information i.e from 2010. |
I'm sorry, but you are again asking for too much, IMO. Information on places that is 1-3 years old is pretty reliable. Live with that.
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| I also know Shane English School hasn't got that a good of a reputation but unfortunately Shane as well as Peppy Kids Club the only two that have offered me an interview so far. |
And why do you think that is? Not trying to be condescending here, but we know nothing about you or your resume or your interview skills or how many places you have looked at. Besides, December is the worst time of year to be looking for work. Best advice I can give is shoot for the percentages: apply to as many places as possible, but be patient and see what Feb/March hold. Might not hurt to have someone look at your resume and cover letter for weaknesses, too.
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| I want to start around March/April. Currently I am in London and both of the interviews I have are face-to-face in London. |
If you can't come to Japan and interview, you are going to be stuck with the very limited number of places that recruit from abroad like those 2, and an even fewer who do Skype interviews. Get used to this idea. There are more teachers than jobs in Japan right now. Think like an employer.
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| If I am unable to get someone to sponsor me for a Work Visa I will just apply for a Working Holiday Visa and then go to Japan and look for work whilst I am there. |
Best plan so far. Just come at a good time. Realize, too, that WHV holders can work PT or FT, need no employer as visa sponsor, but that your visa is good for only 12 months, after which you will have to leave or switch to a work visa. Moreover, there is 20% tax on your wages as a WHV holder. Take the low-paying jobs that desperate people do, and you will have far less in hand. |
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seklarwia
Joined: 20 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:02 am Post subject: |
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| dgrey1986 wrote: |
| I am finding it difficult to find any up to date information i.e from 2010. I saw that old post on japan-guide about Peppy Kids Club but that is from 2004 I think which isn't much help to me right now. |
Not being mean, but I would suggest you search a little harder.
I mean I found this 2010 thread in 30 seconds (despite my having no search funtion 90% of the time). It even contains an overview and a blog link from a poster who is or was working for them until very recently.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=81723&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
I actually found more than a few mentions of PKC, it's just that you have to search and read throug lots of threads to get to them (which although time consuming isn't all bad as you will likely pick of other useful bits of info along the way). So the info is out there if you put in the time and effort. But then as Glenski said, you need to remember that info from even a few years ago is still going to be pretty reliable.
P.s. You're definition of reputable is a little worrying. I suggest you at least aim for an employer who is paying a decent salary for the work (none of these 180,000/month FT 40hrs/week crap), pays on time and honours what is written the contract (even if it is full of illegal clauses i.e. they don't start changing the terms you agreed to once you are here). |
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dgrey1986
Joined: 08 Aug 2010
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Location: London, England
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| Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| seklarwia wrote: |
| dgrey1986 wrote: |
| I am finding it difficult to find any up to date information i.e from 2010. I saw that old post on japan-guide about Peppy Kids Club but that is from 2004 I think which isn't much help to me right now. |
Not being mean, but I would suggest you search a little harder.
I mean I found this 2010 thread in 30 seconds (despite my having no search funtion 90% of the time). It even contains an overview and a blog link from a poster who is or was working for them until very recently.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=81723&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
I actually found more than a few mentions of PKC, it's just that you have to search and read throug lots of threads to get to them (which although time consuming isn't all bad as you will likely pick of other useful bits of info along the way). So the info is out there if you put in the time and effort. But then as Glenski said, you need to remember that info from even a few years ago is still going to be pretty reliable.
P.s. You're definition of reputable is a little worrying. I suggest you at least aim for an employer who is paying a decent salary for the work (none of these 180,000/month FT 40hrs/week crap), pays on time and honours what is written the contract (even if it is full of illegal clauses i.e. they don't start changing the terms you agreed to once you are here). |
Thanks for your reply but I saw that thread and looked at other PKC ones before I created this one. I only saw a couple of posts and they are mainly from "ciccone_youth" who has actually been working for Peppy Kids Club for a little while. The majority of people posting in that thread are just talking about the dates they will do their training, where they will do their training and their COE/Visa issues.
I never told you how much I was looking to earn per month. If I am working full time I would like to receive 250k (minimum) which both PKC and Shane are offering. Again if I feel that things are going badly wherever I end up in Japan there is nothing stopping me from quitting. I plan on having a return plane ticket so if things do not work out in Japan I can just change my flight date (for a small fee) and come back earlier than I had planned.
But personally I would rather work for PKC than Shane. I am not bothered about the amount travelling but I would prefer to be somewhere around Tokyo, Saitama, Chiba or Kanagawa. But it seems like Shane is the company which could offer me a position in one of those areas a lot easier than PKC but we shall see what happens.
But thanks for your help |
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dgrey1986
Joined: 08 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Glenski wrote: |
| If you search the Internet, you're going to find a lot of opinions. In the most general sense, the places with the best reputation are ECC and AEON and JET Programme. Other than those (and even those 3 have their faults) it will be a case by case scenario. |
Well like I said ECC would be my first choice and AEON are not doing interviews in London again until February. I may try them again in the new year. Unfortunately I have already missed the deadline for JET but what I didn't like with JET was the possibility of being placed in a rural area.
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| Forget loser places like Borderlink or Hearts. Plenty of info out there will tell you why. Interac may be "better", but I'd even hesitate to recommend them! The best thing you can do is find an employer on your own, evaluate its contract and work conditions, and let us know so we can tell you our opinion of the place. Otherwise, it just looks like you want to use ESL Cafe to find the places for you, and that's just not practical. This is a discussion forum, not a job search organization. |
I had an interview arranged with Interac but I informed them I could not attend. But I have noticed on gaijinpot they are looking for teachers in the Kanagawa area (Yokohama) which would be good for me. So I may inform them I am still interested in having an interview next year. I am even thinking about applying with RCS due to them wanting teachers in the Saitama area. I know the salary is 230k and they're not known to be that great of a company but the only way really for me to find out about how good or how bad these places are will be to actually go and work for them myself and then make up my own mind.
Well that would be good if I could get that help here. But at the moment it seems like the only companies willing to sponsor a work visa for me from overseas are the ones we have mainly been talking about. But as you know If I can not get a company to sponsor me from London I will fly to Japan on the WHV and look for work that way.
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| Unless you are eligible for a working holiday visa, I'd say skip PT work because you need a FT employer to sponsor your work visa (unless there is something you have not told us). I'm sorry, but you are again asking for too much, IMO. Information on places that is 1-3 years old is pretty reliable. Live with that. |
Well I will read those posts again and make up my own mind. But everyone is different so someone may have had a bad time with a company whilst another person could have had a good time with one. For me I have no expectations apart from the salary. Like China I was supposed receive a lot of things according to the agency such as the chance to learn Chinese, learn Kung-Fu, free meals for example but I didn't receive any of that. It didn't bother me that I didn't get that because I was just happy to be in China doing a job that I enjoyed and one that wasn't too stressful. There are a lot of posts online where people are saying bad things about the agency I went with but me personally my time with them was fine. So all these posts I see online whether good or bad I will take with a pinch of salt and go and see what the company is like for myself.
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| And why do you think that is? Not trying to be condescending here, but we know nothing about you or your resume or your interview skills or how many places you have looked at. Besides, December is the worst time of year to be looking for work. Best advice I can give is shoot for the percentages: apply to as many places as possible, but be patient and see what Feb/March hold. Might not hurt to have someone look at your resume and cover letter for weaknesses, too. |
The only thing I can think of is my race. For each of the applications that I have done the only ones that contacted me for an interview were Interac, Shane English School and Peppy Kids Club. These were the only 3 where I did not need to send a picture along with my application. All of the materials I include with each application are the same CV, Cover Letter, Degree and CELTA qualification. The picture I have been using is of me in a shirt and tie. This can sometimes be a bit disheartening but unfortunately this is the real world and I experienced this in China where I was told directly I wasn't wanted at a school because I was Black. What made me laugh was the fact that the teacher who met me at the train station said that agency told her I was from England. I simply replied "...but I am from England". But I will keep trying and hopefully the right school/company will choose me for me.
Thanks for the suggestion but I already have had my CV and Cover Letter done for me through an employment provider I work with in my current job within the unemployment sector here in London. So everything has been tailored specifically for this type of position.
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| If you can't come to Japan and interview, you are going to be stuck with the very limited number of places that recruit from abroad like those 2, and an even fewer who do Skype interviews. Get used to this idea. There are more teachers than jobs in Japan right now. Think like an employer. |
I know so I will see what happens from this and if I am unable to find something before March/April I will just go there on the WHV like I had planned originally.
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| Best plan so far. Just come at a good time. Realize, too, that WHV holders can work PT or FT, need no employer as visa sponsor, but that your visa is good for only 12 months, after which you will have to leave or switch to a work visa. Moreover, there is 20% tax on your wages as a WHV holder. Take the low-paying jobs that desperate people do, and you will have far less in hand. |
Oh really? Thanks for the information I wasn't aware that the tax was 20% on employees with WHVs. That does seem like a lot but at the moment I pay around that much in tax here in England.
Well I thought if I worked PT that would give me more opportunities to do other things whilst I am in Japan. But if the tax is 20% maybe I should just get a FT job.
Thanks again for your help I appreciate it. |
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sabina
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Glenski
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| what I didn't like with JET was the possibility of being placed in a rural area. |
You and everyone and his brother want a nice comfy cushy position in the city. Do you realize how much that limits you to opportunities? Live in the country and you have a greater chance to experience "real Japan" and to learn Japanese. Your rent just might be cheaper, too.
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| I am even thinking about applying with RCS due to them wanting teachers in the Saitama area. I know the salary is 230k and they're not known to be that great of a company |
No! No! No! Stay as far from RCS as possible. You do NOT want to work for them. EVER!
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| Well I will read those posts again and make up my own mind. But everyone is different so someone may have had a bad time with a company whilst another person could have had a good time with one. |
The really bad companies are pretty well-known, so I wouldn't pooh-pooh advice on places like RCS or JALSS, just to mention a few bad apples. Realize, too, that their managers sometimes infiltrate these forums and pose as employees who like it there.
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| Glenski wrote: |
| And why do you think that is? Not trying to be condescending here, but we know nothing about you or your resume or your interview skills or how many places you have looked at. Besides, December is the worst time of year to be looking for work. Best advice I can give is shoot for the percentages: apply to as many places as possible, but be patient and see what Feb/March hold. Might not hurt to have someone look at your resume and cover letter for weaknesses, too. |
The only thing I can think of is my race. For each of the applications that I have done the only ones that contacted me for an interview were Interac, Shane English School and Peppy Kids Club. These were the only 3 where I did not need to send a picture along with my application. All of the materials I include with each application are the same CV, Cover Letter, Degree and CELTA qualification. |
You sent the same cover letter to more than one employer? Uh, no. Don't. Please customize, or they will be able to spot a form letter a mile away. They want to know what you think you can do for THEM, not in generic terms. Show that you care.
And, as for race being an issue, just what is your race? Most employers just want a warm body from a native-English-speaking country. Oh, I see you are black. So? Means nothing to most employers, so don't play that card. People who gawk and wonder if you are from England after meeting you and hearing your accent are obviously narrow-minded types who don't get out much and are best to pass on anyway.
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| Thanks for the suggestion but I already have had my CV and Cover Letter done for me through an employment provider I work with in my current job within the unemployment sector here in London. So everything has been tailored specifically for this type of position. |
I really hate to say this but if that provider didn't tell you to customize your cover letter (let alone resume/CV) to each potential employer, they are not worth using, for the reasons I cited earlier.
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| if I am unable to find something before March/April I will just go there on the WHV like I had planned originally. |
A bit of advice to add to that. Contact potential employers who are advertising around then before you come. Let them know the date you will be here, to reduce down time in interviewing.
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| Oh really? Thanks for the information I wasn't aware that the tax was 20% on employees with WHVs. That does seem like a lot but at the moment I pay around that much in tax here in England. |
It's true, and even if you pay that much back home, think about the difference in salary between there and here. If you aren't making much here, 20% can be quite a cut. Choose to live in a big city where rent can be stiff, and you don't have that much left over.
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| Well I thought if I worked PT that would give me more opportunities to do other things whilst I am in Japan. But if the tax is 20% maybe I should just get a FT job. |
If you get enough PT work, you can make more than FT, so it won't matter. |
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seklarwia
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| dgrey1986 wrote: |
I had an interview arranged with Interac but I informed them I could not attend. But I have noticed on gaijinpot they are looking for teachers in the Kanagawa area (Yokohama) which would be good for me. So I may inform them I am still interested in having an interview next year. I am even thinking about applying with RCS due to them wanting teachers in the Saitama area. I know the salary is 230k and they're not known to be that great of a company but the only way really for me to find out about how good or how bad these places are will be to actually go and work for them myself and then make up my own mind. |
Take things you read with a pinch of salt, but within reason. I mean if everyone is saying that this path along the cliff edge is dangerous and that people have fallen off and been hurt, you're a fool if you think, "Well, that's their opinion. I'll never know for certain unless I try out that path for myself."
You said salary is important for you but you are trying for only city placements. And even worse you are going to try RCS. City placements will often eat more of your salary than a more suburban/rural placement thanks to things such as higher rent.
RCS pay less than other companies, have a notorious bad rep and according to some ALTs in my city who worked with them until last year, they were screwed by them money-wise for a number of reasons one of which being no transport allowance. One of them especially was being sent on assignments that were really far away and having to pay out of his own pocket. On one occasion his car broke down and he had to take the shinkansen because the journey by regular services was so long that not even the first train would get him to the school on time. His pay for the day only just covered what he had paid in transport!... if you money is important for you, I can't see how you wouldn't see this as a reason to blacklist RCS.
BTW: You're agency in China was a bad one even if you didn't hate your time with them and people are right to bad mouth them. Your agency lied: They promised things then didn't keep them. Whilst you were able to cope with the situation, their lies might have proven far more damaging for others. For example, if someone planned a strict budget and then suddenly found that they were going to have to eat out of part of their savings because the free meals they were supposed to receive were never provided it could prove a devestating blow.
If a company is honest and doesn't make any promises it doesn't intend to keep then anyone who has any complaints has only themselves to blame. But a company is that promises things but doesn't comethrough on those promises is a bad one, plain and simple. |
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