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scottie1113
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I agree. Once a year in all my classes, I write something very simple on the board before my students come in. I write: Life is change. Change is life. Change is good. Life is good.
They work in pairs. I ask them to discuss these four sentences. What do they mean? Are the first two the same or different? Do you agree or disagree? Why?
When they've finished talking-and sometimes they'll spend 15 or 20 minutes doing this-we have a group discussion. You'd be amazed at some of the things I've heard. |
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Master Shake
Joined: 03 Nov 2006
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Location: Colorado, USA
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I understand what you're saying Mr.Dynow, but I can simply tell you that it's quite cheap and pleasant to get shitfaced on an ESLer's salary in Poland.One doesn't have to stretch zlotys to do that and I'm sure you'll agree.If you avoid the hoity toity clubs and the like,you'll do ok!  |
I don't think so. A beer in Warsaw costs 8-10 złoty in most pubs. A beer in a bar in Colorado, USA (where I'm from) costs about the same, $3-4.
When you consider that salaries are comparatively lower here in Poland than the US or Canada, going out for drinks can eat up your earnings quickly. The price of mixed drinks is outrageous in Warsaw, 20+ złoty in many places.
Perhaps drinking at home is cheaper here in PL (good vodka is really cheap, so is beer if you like the cheap stuff!) but I don't do this so much. But if this winter is half as bad as last year, maybe I'll start.  |
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sharter
Joined: 25 Jun 2008
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Location: All over the place
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| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:25 am Post subject: Poznan update |
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| I'm in Poz at the mo..on holiday. Beer is 8-10ZL, a bottle of wine 100 eating out, had a steak in Room 55 for 140Zl and my room is 500Zl per night..moving to a hostel tonight for 150! The cinema is 28...a Macallam shot of scotch is 160Zl..only 12Zl in the UK! |
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dynow
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:36 am Post subject: |
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MasterShake wrote:
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| When you consider that salaries are comparatively lower here in Poland than the US or Canada, going out for drinks can eat up your earnings quickly. |
and we MUST concentrate on exactly that. even if salaries were the SAME, meaning $3000/month vs. 3000zl/month net, 3-4 for a beer is WAY cheaper than 7-10, is it not?
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| Perhaps drinking at home is cheaper here in PL (good vodka is really cheap, so is beer if you like the cheap stuff! |
how much do you pay for a half liter of polish beer in a shop....3zl? If you bought 20 of them, you're looking at 60zl. In America, you can buy a 30 pack of domestic brew, equivalent to 21 half liter beers by volume, for around $15.
15 vs. 60. this is not rocket science.
you remember the days, Shake. you go over your buddy's house, 3-4 guys split a 30 pack, and you all drank all night for a whopping $4-$5 per guy. when was the last time you drank all night in Poland for 5zl?
spirits are no different. i was at the Wroclaw airport this week and saw a 1-liter bottle of Jack Daniel's for 80 something zl. That's DUTY FREE, may I add. In the USA, you can buy a 1-liter bottle of Jack for around $30, all taxes included.
forget exchange rates, just concentrate on the number of units of currency you take home every month from your job vs. how many units of that currency you must pay to buy alcohol in stores and bars.
there's simply no denying the fact that it's far cheaper to get your drink on in the states. |
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Master Shake
Joined: 03 Nov 2006
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Location: Colorado, USA
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Yes I remember the days....Killing a 12-pack with a couple of bros watching Southpark before heading out to whatever bar was having a drink special that night. They still have 'dollar microbrew' nights at many bars in Fort Collins, CO. You can get wasted on less than 10 bux if such is your aim. Shame the bars all close at 2am and liquor stores (the only places you can buy beer, spirits) are closed on Sunday!
Your logic is sound, dynow. Even if you can earn a salary nearly equivalent to what you would earn in the US, drinking is going to take up a higher portion of your salary in PL.
However, having said that, I would rather go out drinking in Poland than in the US any day of week:
slimmer girls,
less attitude from people,
less aggro,
less BS (i.e. people saying stuff just to sound cool),
people who aren't afraid to dance, even if they suck at it,
no frat boys |
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dynow
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| They still have 'dollar microbrew' nights at many bars in Fort Collins, CO. |
Ahhhh, one of america's hidden secrets.....microbreweries. some of the best beer in the world comes out of america, you just gotta look for it.
you were spoiled Shake being in CO with the microbrews. Fat Tire.....man, is that great beer. Every time I go to Vegas, I head straight for the MGM Grand and get myself a pint of that stuff. in NJ, microbrews are harder to come by. there's actually an amazing beer that comes out of NYC, Brooklyn Lager, it's absolutely fantastic.
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people who aren't afraid to dance, even if they suck at it,
no frat boys |
i certainly agree with these two. what I always miss in Poland though is the "coolness" of American bar culture and the comraderie people share with their bartenders, along with the fact that American bartenders know how to pour a good drink. out here, you're lucky to get an ice cube in your cocktail. |
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sharter
Joined: 25 Jun 2008
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Location: All over the place
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2010 4:03 pm Post subject: 10 cents |
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The test of a good bartender is the 'Bloody Mary'.
Am continuing to 'do my bollox' in Poznan as a tourist paying 'Scandinavian prices'. That said, supermarket food is cheap and there are a few less costly places to drink if you don't mind places with 'African hygiene'.
Anyone know a bank here that'll mortgage lend to someone who works elsewhere.....Millenium want a 40% cash downpayment......I was aiming for 20%. My salary is 5 or 6 times the average here net. |
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dynow
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| The test of a good bartender is the 'Bloody Mary'. |
debatable, because everyone takes it a different way. spicier, not spicy, somewhere in between, less/more vodka, etc. etc.
the mark of a good bartender is a guy who pours in plenty of booze into your cocktail, minimizes the amount of fillers and other additives, yet still manages to build a nice drink that doesn't taste too overpowered by spirits. you're paying good money for the booze so there better be enough in there, but at the same time you don't want to feel like you're sipping straight from the bottle. |
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Blasphemer
Joined: 03 Dec 2008
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Location: NYC/Warszawa
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| I think it's all pretty relative as some smart Jewish guy said a while back. You can't compare prices of beer in Warsaw with prices of beer in Colorado. While in NYC, two years ago, I'd end up paying $9 to $12 for a beer at any given bar or a club. I was in Kielce this summer and was paying 3 - 5zl for a beer. Heck, I've found places in Warsaw where I can get beers for 5zl per beer. Also, if you end up going to a nice place like Bierhale, 20zl for a liter of grade A beer! You can't beat that with a bat! And I'm not talking about some watered down Bud or Coors but real brew... so ... it's all relative. |
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