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deepteeth
Joined: 12 Jan 2011 Posts: 23 Location: Russia
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Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:41 pm Post subject: Help: Rate my Job |
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I'm in my first year of EFL teaching abroad, and I want to know where I stand. I've read the forums extensively the last year or so and so I have a general idea (which I'll give at the end of the post) but I'd really like an expert opinion from others.
About my job:
I'm teaching in the Russian Far East. I don't want to mention any school- or coworker-specific details until I've decided to move on. I make about 350 rubles ($12.33) post Russian tax per academic hour and I teach 25-35 academic hours per week. I work six days a week, but for example on Tuesday I only have one class and my Russian class (where I'm a student). Some days are long - 9:00am to 9:00pm - while some are short - 4:30pm to 8:10pm.
It's a private school, catering mostly to the well-off in the area. I teach students from 10 to adult; all of them have at least a pre-intermediate knowledge of English (Russian teachers take the very young and beginner students). Most students come to the school three times per week; I see them once and my Russian co-teacher sees them the other two times. Class sizes are never larger than 12, and some are 6 or less students. Classes are either 1:20 or 2:00 long. I get paid for class time and there is no required in-office time other than a meeting once a month or so.
The Russian teachers are a very mixed bag. Some of them have been around for a while and they seem well-organized and good teachers. The vast majority (I feel) are grossly lacking in self-confidence and are more concerned with being liked by the students than actually teaching. Some of their English levels are very low.
We use Cambridge textbooks, which seem really good. There are dozens of other resources in the office, and no limits on the number of copies/prints.
So far, there has been very little in terms of pressure to perform or any type of performance checks - though this could be because the other native speaker decided to leave en media contract.
About the perks:
Roundtrip airfare from the USA (about $1750), my apartment (expensive in this area), coffee/tea/snacks at work, and taxi rides home when working at night are all: free.
About the school:
The school has about a dozen small classrooms, each with a computer, window, whiteboard, and coatrack. There is an office area, all open, where we share about 10 seats in a small room. There are two computers with internet access that we share. Adjacent to the office is a small "kitchen" with a microwave, espresso machine, and electric kettle. There is no fridge.
Nearby the school is a public school, where I can buy a fairly delicious school lunch for about 100 rubles ($3.33).
About me:
I am a young (23), American, recent (2009) college graduate from a slightly above average school. However, my degree is in English Literature, though I did take some linguistics classes and have serious exposure to French and Spanish. Experience-wise I've tutored a foreign graduate student for about two years (paid) and also taught children in Ecuador for about two months (volunteer). I've traveled extensively.
I'm very into healthy eating, and I'm actually okay with Russia's availability of healthy food.
However, I enjoy writing and the arts and conversation, and there's not really a community for any of that here. There are quite a few expats here, but I haven't met anyone under 33 yet. Most are here with families or they are trying to make families. Few are Americans. One of the reasons I didn't want to give school details is because I'm teaching at the only EFL school with native speakers within a few hundred klicks. There are two other American teachers here, but they are much older and more interested in pursuing their own religious agenda than my idea of socializing (not that there's anything wrong with that!).
This summer I'm going to try to get CELTA in SE Asia, so keep that in mind for all questions re: contract renewal and payment.
About my life here:
Yes, it's cold, but not as cold as most of Russia. It won't get any worse than -25C. There's snowboarding available nearby and I'm trying to learn. I've got a girlfriend, but not too many other friends, especially not male. So far I enjoy Russian personalities from a distance, but those I've made friends with have been disappointing. There are few creative minds here; most people play video games and get drunk. Strangely, it was difficult to get the two groups of friends to even play cards while drinking; they just wanted to drink. When I told them I like to paint and write they thought I was crazy.
My apartment is MASSIVE - I have two completely unused rooms - and very centrally located. However it is very old, no one's lived here for a couple of years, and it has many problems which are (obviously) not fixed very promptly or professionally.
In general, the cost of living here is about the same as in the USA. I was extremely pleased to discover the adjacent school's cafeteria and I eat there nearly every day, at least when I'm busy. There is a total of zero moderately cheap restaurants - trust me, I've looked and asked.
EDIT: After seeing Norby's thread (http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=87386) I wanted to add another section of my own here:
After my first year, using my salary PLUS selling my computer for about $1000, I will have been able to pay for:
A CELTA course (this includes accommodation and living expenses, in addition to course fee and travel costs.)
Absolutely no holidays or breaks outside the country except for 2.5 months in summer 11, which will include one month of Celta, above.
Absolutely no �mini-breaks� because my schedule (Sundays off only) doesn't allow for it really.
About three times snowboarding until I realized I couldn't afford it
I haven�t flown back home yet.
Am I starving? No. But I think I live muuuch cheaper than most.
My Questions!:
1. Greed: Am I getting paid enough? Specifically, what are some rough equivalents of [$12/hr + airfare + apartment (in Russia)] = [$?/hr + no air + no apt (in Thailand/Vietnam/Cambodia/Malaysia/S America)]?
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for me, this seemed like a good rate of pay without much experience. Nothing compared to China or Korea, but I don't want to live in China or Korea. |
2. How does my teaching structure look? Is "team-teaching" widely practiced?
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OK. Quality textbooks, good resources, but weak team teachers threaten to undermine everything. |
3. Are the perks okay? Is it better to have a job with a high rate of pay and no perks or vice versa?
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IMO, they are okay only because airfare and rent in this area is so high.
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4. Do other schools offer a culture of expat teachers?
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I feel lonely sometimes without other young traveler types. |
5. Where do Russia and the rest of SE Asia stand in terms of eating fresh, healthy, economical food?
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kefir, mushrooms, and cukes keep me happy here, but maybe it's better down south? |
6. Finally, if I get CELTA this summer, what should my demands be?
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I'm thinking 450 rubles/hr, better apartment. |
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LH123
Joined: 13 Jun 2010 Posts: 61
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:52 am Post subject: |
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I have never been to Russia, much less worked there. So, I am not best qualified to answer your questions. But, I've been around - I can offer my thoughts and interpretations, but please don't take this as anything close to authoritative.
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1. Greed: Am I getting paid enough? Specifically, what are some rough equivalents of [$12/hr + airfare + apartment (in Russia)] = [$?/hr + no air + no apt (in Thailand/Vietnam/Cambodia/Malaysia/S America)]? |
US$12 an hour isn't much. But what are costs like where you are? Assuming that you are not going hungry, then it sounds about right for an entry-level position. In your first year of TEFL, with no formal qualifications, if you are earning enough to survive and have the occasional beer then you're doing okay.
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2. How does my teaching structure look? Is "team-teaching" widely practiced? |
In Asia more than anywhere else. I had a similar system when I was teaching in Indonesia years ago. Pedagogically speaking, it is not ideal - but it is far from unheard of.
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3. Are the perks okay? Is it better to have a job with a high rate of pay and no perks or vice versa? |
Airfare, accomodation, coffee/snacks at work are pretty standard perks in many/most EFL posts, even entry-level ones. Taxi rides home aren't quite so common.
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4. Do other schools offer a culture of expat teachers? |
Yes. In fact, for many 'first time jobs' the principal attraction is the camaraderie inherent in being a team of expats working and living together in a foreign land. While this may not necessarily be something that the school explicitly cultivates, it is an inherent result of having lots of (usually young-ish) expats coexisting together.
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5. Where do Russia and the rest of SE Asia stand in terms of eating fresh, healthy, economical food? |
I honestly have no idea.
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6. Finally, if I get CELTA this summer, what should my demands be? |
I don't know about the culture of the school that you work in, but my guess would be that they would offer you a token increase at best. Better qualifications normally mean a better job (somewhere else), not better pay at the same job you were doing anyway. With a CELTA, your options will widen considerably.
On another note, 25-35 academic hours per week is a lot. And 6-day weeks, while not uncommon, are not particularly desirable either.
While the above is certainly good training for the future, it is not standard practice. For my mind, a maximum would be 20 hours a week, over 5 days.
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are more concerned with being liked by the students than actually teaching. |
This makes more sense than you might initially think. If the students don't like you, you'll lose your job.
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We use Cambridge textbooks, which seem really good. There are dozens of other resources in the office, and no limits on the number of copies/prints. |
Again, this is pretty standard. It would be a serious problem if you didn't have resources, and if you did have limits on how many copies you make.
From what I've read, it seems like you're doing okay - given your entry-level status in the field. You haven't hit the jackpot, but you're not being royally screwed either.
After a CELTA and a year or two's experience, though, I would try to aim a bit higher - preferably at a place with more expats, less teaching hours, and a bit more money.
My 2c... |
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oxi
Joined: 16 Apr 2007 Posts: 347 Location: elsewhere
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Posted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:13 am Post subject: |
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You'll probably get more detailed advice if you put this in the Russia forum.
As a starter job, it seems ok to me. Haven't really spent much time in Russia. Did similar work in other C.I.S. with similar qualifications. |
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JordanX
Joined: 28 Jan 2011 Posts: 24
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:58 am Post subject: |
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If you want to eat fresh, healthy food, don't go to China. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:48 am Post subject: |
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JordanX wrote: |
If you want to eat fresh, healthy food, don't go to China. |
Ak! No! China is great for fresh, healthy food. Depends on where you go and which of the four schools of cooking your area is part of.
Depends
Back to the OP, $12 an hour can be horrible in some places, great in others. It seems average where you are. Ask on the Russian board. Keep in mind that pay isn't everything. For example, I have a very high salary at my job, but no housing. housing takes out a HUGE chunk of change. In my opinion it's best to have a job with HIGh pay and GREAT perks. Though honestly, I think High pay and ok perks is better than low pay and great perks. Simply because I like to choose my own housing. I can save a lot that way or spend a lot. It's up to me and it's MY housing, not the schools. So they have no say on who's sleeping over.
Expat teachers. Some schools have heaps, in others you're the only one. Join country specific forums and meet people online. NOt dating, but friends. I've meet some of my best friends online. Though only women. I don't meet guys online, my husband is very jealous. And it's dangerous, but I digress. Anyways, some meet peopel in church others in bars. Keep in mind if you meet peopel in church, they might be very religious, in bars, very drunk. Try expat get togethers, like meetup.com It's free! Facebook is another place. You meet one person and they introduce you to others. Quality, not quanity. A couple of good friends is better than 10 ok friends.
team teaching is used in some countries. Asia is an area where it's often used.
Healthy, economical food. I've lived on four contienents, my absolutely favorite is northern Chinese!!
Negatives
Long days stink though.
Positives
Class sizes are good
NO office hours
Few meetings
Resources
Perks
Few Americans, yea, meet the locals.
Questions
Why did the other native teachers leave?
What's wrong with older expats? My best friend was 45 and I'm 28. Older people have more wisdom and knowledge. Make the most of it. It also helps us younger teachers act more mature. I believe. I know I can pass for at least 35
Misc
Getting drunk and playing video games happens pretty much all over the world. SOme teachers are just like that. The good ones hang out at Dave's though.
If you get your CELTA, (are you going to stay at the same school) , if you are, ask for more pay and a better flat. The worst they can say is no. Plus, if it's your second year, you're entitled to better perks, salary, and benefits. |
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deepteeth
Joined: 12 Jan 2011 Posts: 23 Location: Russia
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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I've heard some seriously mixed things on Chinese food. Unless they are keeping all the good stuff there and exporting everything else, I can't believe the quality is very high at all.
I've met a few people mostly through CouchSurfing. They are okay, some are great, but really I'm having a hard time connecting with Russian guys as friends. I'm an artsy type who has trouble connecting with most US guys, so I guess I should be expecting this. I've met some really great people, but many of them are uni students who have already left the city and only come back to visit family during holidays.
I'm working on talking to a few of the ex-teachers directly. From what I gather, there haven't been many others in the past (school is just now expanding) and they have left because of the high cost of living and little chance for growth elsewhere.
It's not that I'm being ageist really with the older teachers. I have some friends at home who are in their sixties and I really love them. However, personally the other teachers and I just don't really get along. They are quite religious and I am not, but this is only the beginning. In my opinion, older people generally do have more wisdom. But I firmly believe that if someone talks daily about their wisdom, they absolutely cannot be a wise man.
I wasn't talking about teachers playing video games, but rather young people in general. This is rampant in the US too, but really it wasn't hard to find alternative types. Here, I'm afraid it might be, but I also know it might take longer than a year.
I've just asked for a large raise (500 rub/hr up from 350), assuming it will be negotiated down. In this process I'll also ask for a different flat. I'm pretty sure that with the same pay and flat and hours, I will not come back. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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deepteeth wrote: |
I've heard some seriously mixed things on Chinese food. Unless they are keeping all the good stuff there and exporting everything else, I can't believe the quality is very high at all.
. I'm an artsy type who has trouble connecting with most US guys, so I guess I should be expecting this. I've met some really great people, but many of them are uni students who have already left the city and only come back to visit family during holidays.
I'm working on talking to a few of the ex-teachers directly. From what I gather, there haven't been many others in the past (school is just now expanding) and they have left because of the high cost of living and little chance for growth elsewhere.
It's not that I'm being ageist really with the older teachers. I have some friends at home who are in their sixties and I really love them. However, personally the other teachers and I just don't really get along. They are quite religious and I am not, but this is only the beginning. In my opinion, older people generally do have more wisdom.
I wasn't talking about teachers playing video games, but rather young people in general. This is rampant in the US too, but really it wasn't hard to find alternative types.
I've just asked for a large raise (500 rub/hr up from 350), assuming it will be negotiated down. |
FIrst, don-t knock Chinese food unless you-ve gone there. It-s a BIG country, with four very distinct schools of cooking. Second, you-ve travelled so you know that the "CHinese" food that you eat abroad is extremely different from what you'd find in country. That-s kind of like saying you don-t like Russian food because the couple tmes you tried sauerkraut and veraniki in the US were bad. Some ingredients can be found or if they are, they-re different. Another note. I HATE CHinese food in the US. It-s nothing like you-ll find it CHina.
Artsy? LOok into the artsy. AS someone who did music, theatre, and art, I can tell you there's LOTS Of artsy peopel to be found in those areas.
Videos and internet are a problem for peopel of all ages. I guess the difference is the younger generations have grown up with it. BUt with ipods, ipads, kindles, cell phone, laptops, tvs, internet, netbooks, etc it-s getting harder and harder to be unplugged.
I completely get what you say about religion. it can be tough to work with peopel like that.
Try meetup and facebook though. YOu-ll meet peopel that way as well. DOn-t just limit yourself to couchsurfing.
COngrats on asking for a raise. HOpe you get it.  |
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deepteeth
Joined: 12 Jan 2011 Posts: 23 Location: Russia
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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naturegirl321 wrote: |
FIrst, don-t knock Chinese food unless you-ve gone there. It-s a BIG country, with four very distinct schools of cooking. Second, you-ve travelled so you know that the "CHinese" food that you eat abroad is extremely different from what you'd find in country. That-s kind of like saying you don-t like Russian food because the couple tmes you tried sauerkraut and veraniki in the US were bad. Some ingredients can be found or if they are, they-re different. Another note. I HATE CHinese food in the US. It-s nothing like you-ll find it CHina.
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Maybe I should clarify. I cook, and I mentioned in the OP that I haven't got any money to spend on restaurants. I'm talking quality of produce, meat, eggs, etc. My experience here with fruit and vegetables has been that Russian and American are the highest quality, followed by just about every other Asian country, followed by Chinese. But, you're right, I've never been there, so I don't really know. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:43 am Post subject: |
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deepteeth wrote: |
Maybe I should clarify. I cook, and I mentioned in the OP that I haven't got any money to spend on restaurants. I'm talking quality of produce, meat, eggs, etc. My experience here with fruit and vegetables has been that Russian and American are the highest quality, followed by just about every other Asian country, followed by Chinese. But, you're right, I've never been there, so I don't really know. |
Just out of curiosity, how many countries are you talking about? You know abotu Latin American ones? African ones? Middle Asia, like the -stan countries? Australia? New Zealand? The world is a big, no HUGE place. You can't tell me that American and Russian have the highest quality unless you've been to most countries. And from what I hear, I'm be wary to put the US ones on the list with all the genetically modified foods, hormones, and fat people
Just to be devil's advocate., no harm meant.
Sounds like you like Russian then. Hope you get the raise, if not, you should have enough experience to get a better job. |
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deepteeth
Joined: 12 Jan 2011 Posts: 23 Location: Russia
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:20 am Post subject: |
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naturegirl321 wrote: |
deepteeth wrote: |
Maybe I should clarify. I cook, and I mentioned in the OP that I haven't got any money to spend on restaurants. I'm talking quality of produce, meat, eggs, etc. My experience here with fruit and vegetables has been that Russian and American are the highest quality, followed by just about every other Asian country, followed by Chinese. But, you're right, I've never been there, so I don't really know. |
Just out of curiosity, how many countries are you talking about? You know abotu Latin American ones? African ones? Middle Asia, like the -stan countries? Australia? New Zealand? The world is a big, no HUGE place. You can't tell me that American and Russian have the highest quality unless you've been to most countries. And from what I hear, I'm be wary to put the US ones on the list with all the genetically modified foods, hormones, and fat people
Just to be devil's advocate., no harm meant.
Sounds like you like Russian then. Hope you get the raise, if not, you should have enough experience to get a better job. |
I'm speaking of my experience here (in Russia) with produce, where I have encountered the largest percentage of Chinese imports, and I'm comparing to other produce available here (in Russia). Among the foods here (in Russia) I think China's is at the bottom of the barrel. We get some Kiwi and Australian products here, and they are very high quality, but very expensive.
Latin American and European foods, based on my previous travels, have been extremely good quality IMO.
See also:
[1] About the poisonous Chinese dog food issue, and related exports: http://www.economist.com/node/9325404?story_id=9325404
[2] Not really about produce per se, but still relevant: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/05/business/worldbusiness/05safety.html
[3] China was the first country to use GMOs and still uses them about as much as the USA: http://chinaperspectives.revues.org/359 |
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shenyanggerry
Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 619 Location: Canada
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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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I found the fruits, vegetables and fresh meat available in North-East China to be fresh and tasty. I didn't do a chemical analysis of what, if any impurities they contained. I did like the markets where you selected the piece of meat to be turned into hamburger after the fat was cut off. |
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