Site Search:
 
Get TEFL Certified & Start Your Adventure Today!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Students and Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

No Degree but keen to teach!

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> General Discussion
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
iain00



Joined: 12 Jan 2011
Posts: 3

PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:27 pm    Post subject: No Degree but keen to teach! Reply with quote

Hi all, I have recently completed a 130 hour TEFL course, and am now looking for my first teaching post in Asia.

The problem is all the schools require that you have a BA degree. Does anyone know if this rule is strictly enforced? Would I have more luck if I just flew out to the country and searched round for schools with my CV.?
The countries I�m looking at are Thailand, Laos, Indonesia, Cambodia, China or Japan.

If anyone has any advice on getting a job without a degree, I would be most grateful.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Posts: 12844
Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This has been asked about once a week here now. Have you read any of the related posts?

As for Japan...
A degree or 3 years of related teaching qualify you for a work visa. If you don't meet either of those requirements, then you cannot get a work visa. Yes, it is strictly enforced.

In such case, you will have to decide if you want to come on a student visa or cultural activities visa and be able to work only part-time. Same goes for working holiday visa (which has a shorter life span and is limited only to certain nationalities and ages).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
bulgogiboy



Joined: 23 Feb 2005
Posts: 803

PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea and Japan: Degree is needed, you can't get around it.

China: My co-workers were mostly working without degrees, and legally. This was about 5 yrs ago, so things may well have changed.

Thailand: I met lots of people working without degrees, although I'm not sure how many of them were legal. Thailand has tightened up its laws since then, I think.

Laos and Cambodia: Were even more lax than Thailand, when I was there.

I knew a lot of people working in Turkey without degrees, again this was illegal.

It all depends on whether you want legal status or not. I think the places in Asia where you can teach legally without a degree are rapidly disappearing...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Glenski



Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Posts: 12844
Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bulgogiboy wrote:
Korea and Japan: Degree is needed, you can't get around it.
No (about Japan). Read what I wrote.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
tttompatz



Joined: 06 Mar 2010
Posts: 1951
Location: Talibon, Bohol, Philippines

PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:47 am    Post subject: Re: No Degree but keen to teach! Reply with quote

iain00 wrote:
Hi all, I have recently completed a 130 hour TEFL course, and am now looking for my first teaching post in Asia.

The problem is all the schools require that you have a BA degree. Does anyone know if this rule is strictly enforced? Would I have more luck if I just flew out to the country and searched round for schools with my CV.?
The countries I�m looking at are Thailand, Laos, Indonesia, Cambodia, China or Japan.

If anyone has any advice on getting a job without a degree, I would be most grateful.


LEGAL work (with proper visa and/or work permits) will be difficult to obtain.

You can, based on your original post, for the most part rule out: Korea, Japan, Thailand, Vietnam and Taiwan. You will, for the most part, NOT be able to obtain legal work in any of them.

There are legal opportunities available in Japan (as indicated in the post from Glenski - but the chances of finding a job without qualifications and experience is another matter).

Indonesia, Laos, Cambodia and rural China are possible but with no experience, no degree and only a generic TEFL course you will also be at the bottom of the list of candidates and the bottom of the pay scales (in many cases less than US$500 per month).

The more popular (and better paid) eastern parts of China (Beijing, Shanghai, the Perl River Delta, etc.) will be unavailable without a degree or the willingness of your school to pay the bribes required to get you a visa.

.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jpvanderwerf2001



Joined: 02 Oct 2003
Posts: 1117
Location: New York

PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're really keen to teach, why not do yourself a favor and get a degree? There are online opportunities to get BAs with far less expense than at brick and mortar schools. Look up, for instance, Aspen University, or the like.
It'll take some time, but should prove to be worth it in the end, especially if you want to make this a career (or long-term gig).
Best of luck
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
iain00



Joined: 12 Jan 2011
Posts: 3

PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all, thanks very much for all your replys.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Madame J



Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 239
Location: Oxford, United Kingdom

PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laos and Cambodia, as another poster has said, are options. Indonesia is a sticky one-they've apparently brought in laws recently requiring all teachers to have an English or teaching related degree. How rigorously this is being enforced, however, is another matter.

It isn't strictly true that urban China is out of bounds, although you may end up doing the sort of jobs nobody else wants (i.e., teaching kids only). I have a couple of friends working for EF in Shanghai without degrees, and I believe they're both teaching kids only despite one of their earlier claims that China are so desperate for teachers you can choose your own age group.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail MSN Messenger
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> General Discussion All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

Teaching Jobs in China
Teaching Jobs in China