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dgrey1986



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seklarwia wrote:
Companies only have to make co-payments on Shakai Hoken; you cover 100% of payments on Kokumin Kenko Hoken.


So I'm guessing I should count myself fortunate that PKC are willing to pay 40,000yen towards my Kokumin Kenko Hoken per year.

If they offer me the position I will ask about being enrolled on unemployment insurance.

Thanks
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dgrey,
That does sound nice and overly generous of them, but for that very reason, I don't think they will do it. I think it is a misunderstanding about kokumin vs. shakai hoken.

It's be nice if someone actually working there would pipe up with the real story. Hello out there...?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it would be nice if someone could confirm this.

Well I have just had the confirmation from Shane English Schools Japan and Peppy Kids Club that they would like to extend an offer of employment to me.

Right now I need to basically way up the pros and cons for each.

SESJ:
Pros: would be working in Greater-Tokyo, get to work with both adults and children,


Cons: housing is expensive at up to 78k, they do not automatically enrol me on either of the 2 the National Health Insurance plans, 2 months notice to move out of apartment, I will only be reimbursed for travel from my home station only, the cover days/stand-by seems slightly annoying, could have days where I would be working within a school as an ALT, start time differentiates between days,


PKC:
Pros: I will start around 3pm and finish around 8pm, apartment will be no more than 55k per month, 50% subsidy up to 40k per year if I am enrolled on Kokumin Kenko Hoken, JT will be with me during classes with younger children, I wouldn't have to wear formal clothes in class just a t-shirt and jeans (even shorts in the summer), 10 holiday days from the get go


Cons: could be placed in an area I do not like, could possibly be working as an ALT/AET or as a Web Based (Online) teacher which are two of their new ventures apart from Peppy Kids Club which are only in Nagoya, would be the only person in the classroom (on-site) with the students, could possibly have long commutes,


I think I may have to explain to the recruiter once again at PKC that I had originally applied for a position at PKC because I did not want to work as an ALT/AET or do web based teaching. I will also explain that I have another offer from another school and see what they say to make me choose them.

I am trying to think of more things I could possible jot down. I have told both employers that I would contact them again in a couple of days to confirm if I would like to accept the position. If anyone has anything else to add about the two companies please share.

Thanks again for all your help
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seklarwia



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dgrey1986 wrote:
I think I may have to explain to the recruiter once again at PKC that I had originally applied for a position at PKC because I did not want to work as an ALT/AET or do web based teaching. I will also explain that I have another offer from another school and see what they say to make me choose them.

Don't do that!
You've applied for the a job at PKC which they have already informed you may include ALT and web-based teaching. If you didn't like this, you should have made that clear in the interview. If they have plans to include you in this now and you start telling them, "Well actually, I don't want to do these parts of the job." Think how that is going to come across.

And if you start playing one company against each other...believe me, they will be quick to withdraw their offers if you do this. You are not so valuable to them that if you start playing high and mighty that they won't say, "Well on second thoughts, perhaps you are not quite so suited to the position." (Have you read the recent thread about the guy who go an offer withdrawn from Westgate for asking questions? You should because the same will happen to you!)

They've made you an offer which is not set in stone until you sign an official contract and even then you would be wise not to annoy them until you are here and have your visa stamp in your passport.

The market is flooded. And the employers hold all the power. You may have gotten the offers, but it would be a simple task for them to drop you and call the next person on the list of potentials which may be considerable in length with even crappy jobs in high demand.

p.s. Next time you should add important info in a new post or at least let us know about the info you have added to previous posts, because many of us don't re-read old posts and would completely miss that EDIT especially since it's on the previous page.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree 100% with everything seklarwia wrote.

You're confused now, but stop to think about what it is you really want from the job. Also keep in mind that you are not going to find the perfect situation. A year goes by fast, too.

Did you change an earlier post on this thread? Don't expect those of us who have followed it to go back to read it, especially since this is 4 pages long already.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seklarwia wrote:
You've applied for the a job at PKC which they have already informed you may include ALT and web-based teaching. If you didn't like this, you should have made that clear in the interview. If they have plans to include you in this now and you start telling them, "Well actually, I don't want to do these parts of the job." Think how that is going to come across.


The job will not include ALT work or web-based teaching. Those are two separate jobs and Peppy Kids Club is not involved with either of the two. However they are all business run by iTTTi. Each of those other jobs have their own specifications/salary/benefits etc. These new jobs are not on their website i just have a print out of their work conditions.

The recruiter said she put me forward for both PKC and the ALT/AET position because she thinks I would be best suited to both. I do remember her saying I didn't have a choice in which position iTTTi offered me. But how can they offer me another job when the one I applied for online is tottally different? I spoke to her today on the phone just to reiterate that I would prefer to be with PKC over being an ALT at a school in Nagoya City.

seklarwia wrote:
And if you start playing one company against each other...believe me, they will be quick to withdraw their offers if you do this. You are not so valuable to them that if you start playing high and mighty that they won't say, "Well on second thoughts, perhaps you are not quite so suited to the position." (Have you read the recent thread about the guy who go an offer withdrawn from Westgate for asking questions? You should because the same will happen to you!)

They've made you an offer which is not set in stone until you sign an official contract and even then you would be wise not to annoy them until you are here and have your visa stamp in your passport.


That is true. It seems like the recruiter did me a favour because she helped me out with some of the interview questions. She also told me I didn't do too great in the grammar part of the interview and i didnt follow the instructions properly in the written task but they still extended me an offer to me. I guess I should really think about this carefully! I was told in the confirmation email that I wouldn't find out what my actual job would be until around 4 weeks before I am supposed to depart.

seklarwia wrote:
p.s. Next time you should add important info in a new post or at least let us know about the info you have added to previous posts, because many of us don't re-read old posts and would completely miss that EDIT especially since it's on the previous page.


Sorry I forget that you may not check the previous posts, I guess I was just unlucky that it was one of the last posts on the last page.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
I agree 100% with everything seklarwia wrote.

You're confused now, but stop to think about what it is you really want from the job. Also keep in mind that you are not going to find the perfect situation. A year goes by fast, too.

Did you change an earlier post on this thread? Don't expect those of us who have followed it to go back to read it, especially since this is 4 pages long already.


Yea I am confused...very confused! I just need to take my time and think about it. I wanted an English conversational school job because of the hours i.e afternoon starts and evening finishes. This way I will be able to go out at night go home and sleep and be fully rested for work and that is why I mainly refrained from applying for ALT positions apart from Interac. I only applied to Interac because I wasn't getting many opportunities for interviews.

But yes you're right a year is not that long and I am sure it will fly by once I am settled. Oh I forgot to say if PKC put me in Nagoya as an ALT I would not get school breaks off I would be working at the local Peppy Kids Club schools instead.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dgrey1986 wrote:
Yea I am confused...very confused! I just need to take my time and think about it. I wanted an English conversational school job because of the hours i.e afternoon starts and evening finishes.
Ok, your choice. Now, you just have to decide how strictly you want to adhere to such a requirement of yours. Whittle possibilities down based on that type of thinking.

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This way I will be able to go out at night go home and sleep and be fully rested for work and that is why I mainly refrained from applying for ALT positions apart from Interac.
Conversation schools (eikaiwas) usually end at 9pm. If you want to go out after that, you will be very tired, but at least you have until noon the next day to sleep in.

ALT jobs end around 5pm, so that gives you more time. I am not sure exactly what/how you were thinking here.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Conversation schools (eikaiwas) usually end at 9pm. If you want to go out after that, you will be very tired, but at least you have until noon the next day to sleep in.

ALT jobs end around 5pm, so that gives you more time. I am not sure exactly what/how you were thinking here.


PKC starts at around 3pm and finishes at around 8pm Tuesday - Saturday. I do not like early starts and I may way want to stay out in the evening past 3am (for example if I went to a club or karaoke with friends) and being an ALT would make that difficult because I would have to be responsible and get enough rest for work the next day. I can't come home at 6am (because I was waiting for first train) and then be at work for 8.30am. This is why I do not go out in London but a lot of good events are in the week not on the weekend. But like you said a year can go by really quickly and experience is experience. If they give me the ALT position I guess I will just have to enjoy myself on the Weekends only...so its not too bad.

Also I forgot to give you guys more info about the ALT job since some its work conditions are different. The Salary is 266k and you get enrolled on to Shakai Hoken from day one which is good. I will still only have to pay 55k towards the rent if I take a company apartment.

With the web based job the work conditions are exactly the same as PKC apart from the start time which would be from 4pm - 10pm (with a 30 minute break). This start time is much better for me to be honest but the location is in Nagoya again like the ALT position.

I think I will choose Peppy Kids Club (iTTTi Japan) over Shane English School to be honest.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been to clubs in Tokyo; the decent nights are Friday and Saturday night. People play hard in Japan at weekends but they work even harder during the week. I doubt you are going to find much more than movies or karaoke during the week especially outside of a big city.

And which friends would be willing to stay out with you until those hours anyway? Remember that many other foreign eikawa workers will be starting earlier than 3, may be facing a one-way commute of an hour or more (not unusual especially for those working in more than one school or in the city) and may not share the same days off as you. And I can't see your Japanese collegues doing any more than going out for a few drinks in the evening if they have work the following day.

Besides, why exactly are you coming to Japan?
Are you coming to work, to learn the language, experience the culture or purely to party F****** Fresher style? Because the fact you are trying to pick a schedule that will work around your intention to party hardcore is not hinting at any of the former.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

seklarwia wrote:
I've been to clubs in Tokyo; the decent nights are Friday and Saturday night. People play hard in Japan at weekends but they work even harder during the week. I doubt you are going to find much more than movies or karaoke during the week especially outside of a big city.


Well the type of clubs I went to in Tokyo and like going to are Reggae ones. There are a lot of reggae club nights but they are mostly in the week.

seklarwia wrote:
And which friends would be willing to stay out with you until those hours anyway? Remember that many other foreign eikawa workers will be starting earlier than 3, may be facing a one-way commute of an hour or more (not unusual especially for those working in more than one school or in the city) and may not share the same days off as you. And I can't see your Japanese collegues doing any more than going out for a few drinks in the evening if they have work the following day.


That is not a problem if they do not want to come. Its good to have all different types of friends so that I can do certain activities with certain friends and another set of activities with another set of friends. When I was in Tokyo last year my british friends were too tired to come out with me so I just went sight seeing and to the club by myself. I had a great time and met a lot of new Japanese people.

seklarwia wrote:
Besides, why exactly are you coming to Japan?
Are you coming to work, to learn the language, experience the culture or purely to party F****** Fresher style? Because the fact you are trying to pick a schedule that will work around your intention to party hardcore is not hinting at any of the former.


I am coming to Japan to mainly improve upon my Japanese, learn more about the cultural side of Japan and gain more experience teaching. But the reason I like the club is because one of my hobbies is dancing and this is why I like Reggae clubs. I do not drink alcohol so I just go there to dance and meet other dancers mainly.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have some questions about Japan. What is the best ISP or which ISP would you recommend for broadband in regards to cost/speed? Also what do you think is the best mobile network or one you would recommend to join i.e. available handsets/plan costs etc. I hear that SoftBank is fairly foreigner friendly.

Thanks again for your help.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dgrey1986 wrote:
I have some questions about Japan. What is the best ISP or which ISP would you recommend for broadband in regards to cost/speed? Also what do you think is the best mobile network or one you would recommend to join i.e. available handsets/plan costs etc. I hear that SoftBank is fairly foreigner friendly.

Thanks again for your help.

It's better to decide those things when you get here, especially internet. Different places are served better by different companies. Even the type and speed of internet available to you will depend on where in your town/city your place is located and how close to the local exchange you are.

When you get here and know your address, just head into a local electronics store and ask. They will check what is on offer for your house/apartment block.

With regards to mobiles, Softbank is considered the most expensive but has the most advanced phones and English helplines. If you want an iPhone, you will have to choose them. If you know lots of people on Softbank though, they are good because you can benefit from free calls between Softbank phones.

Docomo is the middle company for price and has the widest range of phones.

AU is the cheapest. They often have phones going for 1 yen if you set up a contract with them. But they have the smallest selection of phones that can be used in English. They also seem to have the poorest coverage. If you end up in a major city, that likely wouldn't be a problem. But many of us do not, and even in my tiny city, some of my teachers at school complain that they often lose signal when they go through some parts.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alcohol or not, staying out till 3am dancing will tire you out, especially after a day teaching. I hope you don't plan to make a habit out of that. I realize you want to learn the language, but such hours are not really conducive to keeping one's energy even with eikaiwa hours.

Besides, there's more to teaching than just showing up on time. If you truly want to gain more experience teaching, just what do you plan to do? Put on a resume that you were hired by X company, or that you spent your time learning various facets of TEFL? Not so sound like a party pooper here, but the lifestyle you described is one that gives EFL teachers a poor reputation at times.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Alcohol or not, staying out till 3am dancing will tire you out, especially after a day teaching. I hope you don't plan to make a habit out of that. I realize you want to learn the language, but such hours are not really conducive to keeping one's energy even with eikaiwa hours.


It wouldn't be something I did every night. Like you say it may tire me out so depending how I feel after being at work I will see if I still feel up to going out.

Glenski wrote:
Besides, there's more to teaching than just showing up on time. If you truly want to gain more experience teaching, just what do you plan to do? Put on a resume that you were hired by X company, or that you spent your time learning various facets of TEFL? Not so sound like a party pooper here, but the lifestyle you described is one that gives EFL teachers a poor reputation at times.


I am still deciding whether or not to do a PGCE in Art & Design here in London. I believe the teaching experience I will gain in Japan should help me if/when I decided to start my course in the future.

Would you or anyone else possibly be able to help me with my other question about the internet and mobile phone in Japan? Thanks again for your help.
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