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Crig



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:12 pm    Post subject: Valencia Cambridge College Reply with quote

Hi, I am thinking of applying to do the CELTA course in the Cambridge College in Valencia and was just wondering if anyone has done it before? Any advice?

Also if anyone has any experience of working in Valencia teaching english? How hard it is to get jobs and the amount of pay etc?

I have lived there for a year before during university and would like to go back but any advice anyone has would be really helpful. Thanks.
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IanN



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never heard of a Cambridge College so I'm going to assume you mean Campbell College. I did my CELTA there 7 years ago and it was excellent. A friend did his there a few years before and it was also good.

Whilst I haven't heard anything good or bad from them in recent years I have no reason to believe the situation has changed. The two main instructors when I was there were Seamus & Joanne who are the two owners of the company so they should still be doing it.

Working in Valencia is not as easy as it used to be and you have to put in a lot more effort to get work. Remember that you will be new here are there are teachers who are already well established competing for work.

I've just looked at the Campbell College website and there is a course in July & September. I would recommend either of these. Bear in mind though that if you took the course in July you will not find any work in August but if you can support yourself for that month you can spend some time planning a strategy for visiting the acadamies.

With the September course, it doesn't finish until the 30th by which time companies are finalising their needs and it may be difficult to get work straight away as you would need to apply and try to find a job whilst also concentrating on the CELTA. Simply put, the longer you leave it after September the harder it becomes.

If you have further questions, please feel free to ask.
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Crig



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yeah I did mean Campbell haha. Thanks for your reply. I would really like to go to Valencia but with it being a smaller city unsure if madrid or barcelona would be better options?

I was thinking of doing the course either in May or July to be ready for trying to find a job in September. I'll just have to see how much money I can save before I go. Maybe it would be easy enough to find bar work as well as teaching for extra money? How long did you spend in Valencia? Did the college give you any help when the course was over to find jobs? And also was the course a lot of hardwork?

So many questions but thank you for your help.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firstly I wouldn't suggest doing the course in May as this would mean you finish the course with only one month until the end of the 'season' with very little probability of finding work. If you can support yourself for June, July, August and most of September then do it and enjoy the holiday but I wouldn't recommend it.

I wouldn't have any idea about bar work and, if you read the current news, all the bar owners are complaining about loss of business due to the recent smoking ban. Valencia still has its tourists and you may be able to pick up something for a few months but don't make your plans assuming this is possible.

I have spent 7 years in Valencia. I did my CELTA course and have stayed here. Campbell college didn't really give much assistance when finding work but at that time it wasn't really needed. Apart from the fallout of a large academy closing (due to it being a scam) jobs were plentiful and if you could stand up and speak without sounding drunk you were in. As I said before I have no idea of the standards or practices of the course now.

The course is a lot of hard work but don't let this put you off. As long as you put in the effort I think the course would be more difficult to fail than to pass.

I forgort to answer one important question from your first post; the salaries. Expect to get 12-14 Euros per hour. Privates may pay a little more (and will always try to beat you down on price) but they are thin on the ground at the moment with the economy being so uncertain. I have heard of some academies recently who pay their teachers 8 Euros per hour but ignore them.

I've just read this again and it all seems negative but Valencia is a great city. As long as you don't come here thinking that work will fall into your lap and are prepared to put the effort in you should have no problems.

Feel free to ask as many questions as you like, I don't mind.
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Crig



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok yeah I dont think that would be possible unless I win the lottery so July seems the best option. So are there no jobs at all in the summer months?

Yeah I did actually see about the smoking ban. I'll just think of it as a bonus if there is any extra work.

Did you speak Spanish when you first went to Spain? I have some Spanish but it's a bit rusty at the moment but would you say its an advantage to speak it or doesn't really matter?

I did check on the website for Campbell College and it says it is still run by the people you mentioned so hopefully it is still as good as when you went. that's good to know about the course. I haven't even applied yet. It is difficult to get onto it do you think?

Thanks for the answer about salaries. I'm not actually too bothered just as long as I'd be able to afford to live. I've seen posts on here before of people saying to take about �3000 to start with in case jobs are hard to find and for the first few months rent. Would you say this is right?

Well its better to be warned of the negative sides rather than getting there thinking it will be easy so thank you. I do know the city and have friends who live there so wouldn't be too scary to start with as long as the effort is made.

Thanks again.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IanN wrote:
Working in Valencia is not as easy as it used to be and you have to put in a lot more effort to get work. Remember that you will be new here are there are teachers who are already well established competing for work.


Really? Not good. I worked there 2003-2005 and still harbour ideas of a return some day but the work situation back then, while sufficient, wasn't anything spectacular. Private students were sparse, I had about 3 hours but that was about it.

Is it even remotely possible to get any sort of decent timetable there (minimum 16 hours) while avoiding the kiddoes? They're the main stickler for me in going back. 5 and a half years of exclusively teaching adults and Business English makes it even less appealing. In other words if you'd 8 years experience including 2 in Valencia, reasonable Spanish, how easy would it be now to get business and adult classes? Last time round I had 24 hours with language centres but 16 of those were with kids/early teens.

IanN wrote:
I wouldn't have any idea about bar work and, if you read the current news, all the bar owners are complaining about loss of business due to the recent smoking ban. Valencia still has its tourists and you may be able to pick up something for a few months but don't make your plans assuming this is possible.


Bar work generally was never easy to come by. Bar owners in Spain, like bar owners anywhere else, preferred locals. There were a few Irish bars but they generally only employed experienced people. I expect it's worse now.

IanN wrote:
Apart from the fallout of a large academy closing (due to it being a scam) jobs were plentiful and if you could stand up and speak without sounding drunk you were in.


Was that Opening English? I'd a friend who worked in some place like that and got royally shafted by them.

IanN wrote:
I forgort to answer one important question from your first post; the salaries. Expect to get 12-14 Euros per hour. Privates may pay a little more (and will always try to beat you down on price) but they are thin on the ground at the moment with the economy being so uncertain. I have heard of some academies recently who pay their teachers 8 Euros per hour but ignore them.


The place I worked for paid us a monthly sum per group. Back then 2004-5 it was 70 euro per month net October to June and they'd 2 hourly lessons a week. Though this only worked out at 8.75 per hour some months more often than not it was more than that due to the ridiculous amount of national/regional holidays, puentes and the like. You gotta love a place that has a day off for "Region of Valencia day" and then another for "City of Valencia day!" Fallas alone was a week so this worked out a much better deal overall than some other academies which were paying a flat rate which didn't take into account the numerous days off. If you get offered something like that, then adjusting for inflation, take it.

IanN, what do you do during summer time?
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IanN



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow. So many questions. I'll try and fit them all in. If I miss any, I'm not being rude or hifing information. I just forgot. Very Happy

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Did you speak Spanish when you first went to Spain?


Only Please, Thank-you, numbers & cerveza. Fortunately I had good friends here who helped with all the admin things I needed.


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So are there no jobs at all in the summer months?


If you're lucky and established with a company you may get some of the very few hours available in July but Valencia shuts for August. The only option would be in one of the Irish bars for August work.

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It is difficult to get onto it do you think?


Not too difficult. As long as you have a good command of English. By this I mean you don't talk using the equivalent of txt spk. Assuming that nothing has changed, they will get you to do an initial test. I'm sure I didn't do too well in this as it had been many years since I studied English grammar. I think that as long as you don't make a complete hash of it and pay your money you won't have any problems.

Remember that there are only 12 places for each course.


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Would you say this is right?


That should do quite well. Remember that at the moment landlords are desperate to get their flats rented so don't settle for the price they offer. Haggle & haggle hard as they generally try to overprice them. Coming for July may also give you a good position as all the students leave and there will be an abundance of choice. Depending on what you want you may be able to find a smallish 2 bedroom flat for 550-600 Euros per month.

Crig, I think that's you finished with for now. Time for jonniboy.


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Is it even remotely possible to get any sort of decent timetable there (minimum 16 hours) while avoiding the kiddoes?

Again, if you put the effort in. I work for 16 hours avoiding kiddies. Apart from the first summer camp I did I haven't taught kids and don't plan to start.

I can only think of a couple of places that exclusively deal with adults so you may have to get hours with several academies.

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Bar work generally was never easy to come by. Bar owners in Spain, like bar owners anywhere else, preferred locals. There were a few Irish bars but they generally only employed experienced people. I expect it's worse now.


Finnegans still has a relatively high staff turnover. It's not uncommon to see new staff in there. There are the long-standing people but get there are the right time and you'll be in luck.

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Was that Opening English?


Certainly was. It was discovered to have been a scam 2 months before I moved here so there was little confidence in the market for a brief time.

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what do you do during summer time?


I go back to the UK and work on a summer camp. I'm not a teacher but one of the directors of the camp. As strange as it may seem I really enjoy it. I love working with children as long as it's not in a classroom. With my job you can just join in the fun and games that they like. Of course the other advantages are that it is cooler in the UK, the money is better and because you don't earn over the annual tax-free allowance you can claim back the tax when you leave.


Hopefully that's all. Feel free to poke me with a stick if I've forgotten anything.
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Crig



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all you answers. They are really helpful. The rent you say sounds really cheap. I just have a couple more questions...

I dont mind teaching adults or kids so with the CELTA does that enable you to be able to teach kids as well or would another course be better? and with England being so bad for jobs at the moment I really just want to get moving so wondered if I should just do a course here and then go to Spain or would it be better to get the certificate where you want to work?

Thanks.
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IanN



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 14, 2011 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry for the delay in replying. It's exam period and I had 8 hours of invigliation and 50 exams to mark in the last couple of days.

In theory the CELTA doesn't qualify you to teach kids (Guess what the 'A' stands for). There is a YL extension for CELTA but I've never heard of anyone having it. Although the CELTA is for adults it is the regognised certificate for teaching English, be it adults or kids.

Just remember that unemployment in Spain is more than double the UK rate at the moment.

I would recommend doing your CELTA in the place you plan to live. Here you can get used to the city (even though you have been here before) and start with the paperwork to get your NIE (Foreigners Identity Number) as it can be a long process and the sooner you get the ball rolling the better (especially as those departments only have a skeleton staff over August).
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Crig



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for your reply! That does sound like a lot of work.

I've decided to apply for the course in May as I think it is going to be really hot in July and I wont want to be going to learn everyday. Sounds like a silly reason but I know I'll be too tempted to skip it and go to the beach.

Just filling in the application now. Some of the pre interview tasks are a little difficult. Shows how much work the course must be.

Thanks again for all your help.
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IanN



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thankfully that's all over now. Time for the 2nd semester now though.

Good to hear that you've decided to do the couse.

I don't know what you plans for the summer would be but you may wish to think about applying to summer schools in the UK as the chance of finding work in Valencia between you finishing the course and the end of September are virtually nil.

Feel free to contact me when you are here if you need any help. Say hello to Seamus & Joanne (not sure if they'll remember me as I haven't seen them since I finished the course).
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thankfully that's all over now. Time for the 2nd semester now though.

Good to hear that you've decided to do the couse.

I don't know what you plans for the summer would be but you may wish to think about applying to summer schools in the UK as the chance of finding work in Valencia between you finishing the course and the end of September are virtually nil.

Feel free to contact me when you are here if you need any help. Say hello to Seamus & Joanne (not sure if they'll remember me as I haven't seen them since I finished the course).
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