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jplau
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 Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 4:25 pm Post subject: Guangzhou Saintshine Education Service Co. Ltd. |
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Hi I'm Jade. I'm new here so I've got what might be a silly question. Are all job listings safe and scam free? I've noticed that there will often be some listings without a link to website which is odd to me.
I'm looking at Saintshine in particular, however I did some searching and supposedly their website is . http://www.gesie.org/wzzj.asp
Anyway I'd appreciate some feedback to either of these points.
Also, I noticed a thread about Chinese-Americans/Australian/English/etc. as English teachers. Could I get a count of how many Chinese-American English teachers everyone has seen in China so I can get a good picture by number? I'm Chinese-American as well, and want to know how bleak the picture might be. And I know that 'minority' is a question of number.
Thanks!
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vgchiang
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 2:33 am Post subject: Re: Guangzhou Saintshine Education Service Co. Ltd. |
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| jplau wrote: |
Hi I'm Jade. I'm new here so I've got what might be a silly question. Are all job listings safe and scam free? I've noticed that there will often be some listings without a link to website which is odd to me.
I'm looking at Saintshine in particular, however I did some searching and supposedly their website is . http://www.gesie.org/wzzj.asp
Anyway I'd appreciate some feedback to either of these points.
Also, I noticed a thread about Chinese-Americans/Australian/English/etc. as English teachers. Could I get a count of how many Chinese-American English teachers everyone has seen in China so I can get a good picture by number? I'm Chinese-American as well, and want to know how bleak the picture might be. And I know that 'minority' is a question of number.
Thanks!
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Hi Jade
To put it simply, no not all job listings are safe and scam free. If you're not sure if a listing is safe, I suggest you do a google search on the school and see what comes up (actually i suggest you do this no matter what). Also, what many of us often do is just come onto Dave's ESL cafe and do a search of the school in the forums.
I'm a Chinese American myself and recently graduated from college. I've been sending resumes out to various schools in China and Japan for about a month now (doing it everyday as if it were my full time job), and so far it hasn't been that great. I think I've probably literally sent about 100 e-mails out already.
There's a lot of threads on this topic, and most people will tell you to stay away from recruiters and private language training centers. You don't need to take this advice with a grain of salt...because unfortunately they're right. You might have a chance with EF (English First) as I've heard they've hired overseas born Chinese teachers in the past. However you have to be aged 24 and up to work at their schools. Stick to applying to public schools and universities- your time will be better spent this way. Also try to find out from others here on Dave's specifically which schools in the area you want to teach in will hire overseas born Chinese.
If it's your goal to go to China, and your priority isn't to teach English, there are other jobs you can search for. Jobs in which knowing both Chinese and English are needed skills, or just others jobs in which knowing English is needed (whatever your expertises are). But if you're in it for a career in EFL teaching, then Korea will be place much much easier to land a job in (and you'll get paid much more), especially for a newbie. |
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jplau
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 5:49 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the reply. I originally wanted to go to China to learn Cantonese and immerse myself in the linguistic environment. I have BAs in Linguistics and Chinese so teaching and learning language were just on my path. I'm afraid if I wait and immediately go get an MA in TESOL, my ability to learn new languages will get crustier and crustier.
The more I research the matter the more unrealistic it seems though, especially when I factor in student debt.
One last question for, maybe an oversees job further down the line: is it safe to send photocopies of one's passport? Many of them require that. |
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vgchiang
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| Posted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 9:16 am Post subject: |
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| jplau wrote: |
Thanks for the reply. I originally wanted to go to China to learn Cantonese and immerse myself in the linguistic environment. I have BAs in Linguistics and Chinese so teaching and learning language were just on my path. I'm afraid if I wait and immediately go get an MA in TESOL, my ability to learn new languages will get crustier and crustier.
The more I research the matter the more unrealistic it seems though, especially when I factor in student debt.
One last question for, maybe an oversees job further down the line: is it safe to send photocopies of one's passport? Many of them require that. |
I would black out the passport number. I wouldn't show them the real thing until you've accepted an offer.
Some people on here have told me to fly to China first, and then find a job. The internet is full of the big name recruiters and schools looking for non-colored people, and we're not exposed to the thousands of other schools who don't post jobs online. Of course though, it's a risk to fly over there without a job secured. If you have family you can stay with while you look for a job there, that'll probably ease things. I've also got student debts (about 350.00 dollars a month), but even in China, it's not incredibly hard to save that much. Though if you need to save more than $700.00 a month, that's probably pushing it. But with so many factors involved, it's hard to really say how much you can save. |
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vgchiang
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igorG
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| So, I did my search and this thread came up. A few months ago, I came across this fella called Mike Z, a local, that heavily advertises himself and often as an employer. He is the "Director of Foreign Expert Department Guangzhou Saintshine Education Service", which in fact serves as a recruiting agency. I would love to know if this guy arranges RPs for work since he is with SAFEA. According to his adverts, he is asking for a hell lot of documents claiming that they all are necessary in the areas. I say areas because his postings seem to be for a few cities on mainland. Has anyone used this man's services? |
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melmoth
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| How did your experience go with Saintshine? |
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hdwhatley
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Location: Hangzhou, China
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:23 pm Post subject: Avoid this recruiter |
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| Mike Zheng asks for all of your docs up front, schedules a Skype interview, blows it off and then never responds to your emails. Not very professional. Dodgy. |
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igorG
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| That's what i've suspected. Imagine all of the foreign documentation this guy's database has got by now. |
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Non Sequitur
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Don't want to digress too much but vgchiang's posts interest me.
From what I read you're home and jobless yet you seem at ease to state what info on Dave's should (or shouldn't) 'be taken with a grain of salt'. and how much one can save.
My advice is read and learn and when you think you have a handle on a situation, test your hypothesis by asking for input from other more experienced practitioners.
Back to the OP.
I have taught with Singaporean Chinese, Singaporean Chinese schooled in USA, Filipino and Filipina and black Americans. Some have been in provincial vocational schools and some in national tier one unis.
I have never seen a non-Caucasian in a language school and I've taught in a few of those.
This is a low point in the recruitment cycle. Schools are back and apart from filling some no show vacancies most contacts will be recruiters and less than ideal employers.
The big push will start in about two months for the new academic year (1 Sept or thereabouts).
My advice would be to list yourself on a site (PM me if you need suggestions).
Don't leave it too late. |
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