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hurrimark
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 Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:55 pm Post subject: Hk work visa |
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Hi there.
Is it the case that you can enter HK for 90 days and stay/work without a Visa, while your Visa is being processed? (uk passport) or can you only stay 90 days but not work before visa is granted? If not, how does it work?
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Perilla
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| Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2011 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| No, you can't work here legally without a visa. Most people get their work visa by finding a job, then the employer applies for your visa. |
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sistercream
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Some employers work around the processing time for work visas by having a "training contract" for the person they want to employ. The more reputable of such employers will give backpay for the time worked on such terms, but others will not even bother actually submitting the paperwork to the ImmD, then shaft the "trainee" after a couple of months.
"Real" schools are not (AFAIK) guilty of this practice, but there are plenty of language centres of varying degrees of dodginess... |
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hurrimark
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| Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| sistercream wrote: |
Some employers work around the processing time for work visas by having a "training contract" for the person they want to employ. The more reputable of such employers will give backpay for the time worked on such terms, but others will not even bother actually submitting the paperwork to the ImmD, then shaft the "trainee" after a couple of months.
"Real" schools are not (AFAIK) guilty of this practice, but there are plenty of language centres of varying degrees of dodginess... |
So you can work on a 'training contract' whilst your visa is being proccessed? |
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Serious_Fun
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| Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| hurrimark wrote: |
| So you can work on a 'training contract' whilst your visa is being proccessed? |
Have you taken the 3 minutes needed to visit the Immigration Dept. website?
http://www.immd.gov.hk/ehtml/hkvisas_4.htm#part2
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| Visitors are not allowed by law to take up employment (paid or unpaid), to establish or join in any business, or to enter school as a student, nor, except in the most unusual circumstances, are visitors allowed to change their immigration status after arrival. |
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A'Moo
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| Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2011 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Serious_Fun wrote: |
| hurrimark wrote: |
| So you can work on a 'training contract' whilst your visa is being proccessed? |
Have you taken the 3 minutes needed to visit the Immigration Dept. website?
http://www.immd.gov.hk/ehtml/hkvisas_4.htm#part2
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| Visitors are not allowed by law to take up employment (paid or unpaid), to establish or join in any business, or to enter school as a student, nor, except in the most unusual circumstances, are visitors allowed to change their immigration status after arrival. |
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Wow. OP's just asking a simple question...
Some of those on these boards are more fully versed in the intricacies of the visa processes here, as they are at the consulates and on websites daily trying to procure visas for their ex-masseuse wife and her family to flee...
Then some, like the OP, just want an answer to a question... |
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Perilla
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| Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:23 am Post subject: |
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| SF is more serious than fun. Still, probably not a bad idea to investigate the Immigration Department's website. I'm inclined to think sistercream is right about this. |
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hurrimark
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I got offered the job with some conditions:
work 9.30-7.30 2 days off
pay - 12000 HKD per month
12 month contract '3 months probation'.
applying for sponsored visa when I get here (is this allowed, sorry i'm still unclear)
10 days annual leave
I have no prior teaching experience but do have a BA degree and an MA.
bum deal you say? |
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hurrimark
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the help guys soo far. |
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A'Moo
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| Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| hurrimark wrote: |
I got offered the job with some conditions:
work 9.30-7.30 2 days off
pay - 12000 HKD per month
12 month contract '3 months probation'.
applying for sponsored visa when I get here (is this allowed, sorry i'm still unclear)
10 days annual leave
I have no prior teaching experience but do have a BA degree and an MA.
bum deal you say? |
Yeah, terrible deal. Twice that would be a pittance. |
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therock
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:59 am Post subject: |
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| hurrimark wrote: |
I got offered the job with some conditions:
work 9.30-7.30 2 days off
pay - 12000 HKD per month
12 month contract '3 months probation'.
applying for sponsored visa when I get here (is this allowed, sorry i'm still unclear)
10 days annual leave
I have no prior teaching experience but do have a BA degree and an MA.
bum deal you say? |
Any housing or living allowance on top of that salary? |
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Perilla
Joined: 09 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:19 am Post subject: |
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| hurrimark wrote: |
| bum deal you say? |
Yeah, that's a bum deal. That's rock-bottom wages even for the private language school sector, where the average is probably about 17K a month. It's also a long working day and a crap holiday allowance. And you have an MA? You shld be able to find better. |
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hurrimark
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| therock wrote: |
| hurrimark wrote: |
I got offered the job with some conditions:
work 9.30-7.30 2 days off
pay - 12000 HKD per month
12 month contract '3 months probation'.
applying for sponsored visa when I get here (is this allowed, sorry i'm still unclear)
10 days annual leave
I have no prior teaching experience but do have a BA degree and an MA.
bum deal you say? |
Any housing or living allowance on top of that salary? |
No, not at all. |
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hurrimark
Joined: 16 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:43 am Post subject: |
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| Perilla wrote: |
| hurrimark wrote: |
| bum deal you say? |
Yeah, that's a bum deal. That's rock-bottom wages even for the private language school sector, where the average is probably about 17K a month. It's also a long working day and a crap holiday allowance. And you have an MA? You shld be able to find better. |
Thanks. I knew it didn't sound good, it's just I wasn't sure what the minimum wage I would be able to earn would be; considering that I don't have teaching experience or professional teaching qualifications.
The minimum with a BA and MA you think is about 17000 HKD per month?
Is this with/without a housing allowance?
Thanks for your advice. |
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Perilla
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| Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| hurrimark wrote: |
The minimum with a BA and MA you think is about 17000 HKD per month?
Is this with/without a housing allowance? |
No, I'm not saying 17K a month is the minimum, but IMO is about average for private sector schools (and that's without a housing allowance - housing allowances are rare outside NET or the international schools/ESF/unis etc.).
Do you have CELTA? With it you should certainly do better, but even without it I'd have expected you cld find a better deal, given your education. |
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