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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:27 am Post subject: |
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Well, if I had to guess, I'd say you paid it when you paid the IRS, but can't say for sure. SS and Medicare are classified as "self-employment tax" and are figured on IRS Form 1040. I assume you filed a 1040 or 1040-EZ. Here is the relevant IRS link: http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=98846,00.html
But another point: I said "10 years" for convenience, but it is a little more nuanced. SS actually measures in credits, not years. You need to earn $1,020 in a given year to get one credit. You can get a maximum of four credits in a year, providing that you earned $4,080 or more. So your earnings would have gotten you only one credit, not four.
As to your point about overseas Americans typically not paying in for earnings from private lessons, I totally agree. I think it's good to pay in and qualify for an eventual check since that will be steady, inflation-adjusted money when you're old, but some do think it's a lost cause. |
Yet, did Self Emp take, Sch C and another one for Self emp. Ok, score! So I have one credit from last year and I think I might have one credit for this year. 38 more then I suppose.
Do you happen to know the SS address that I can write to to find out how many credits I have? |
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johntpartee
Joined: 02 Mar 2010 Posts: 3258
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:42 am Post subject: |
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Social Security Administration
Office of Public Inquiries
Windsor Park Building
6401 Security Blvd.
Baltimore, MD 21235
SSA also provides a service whereby they will automatically send you a yearly update of the credits you have. |
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travelNteach
Joined: 14 Jul 2009 Posts: 222
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:16 am Post subject: |
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@ professor gringo: i thought the in order to be eligible for tax exempt status, one had to be living/working abroad 300/or 330+ days in the tax year. with your system, wouldnt you have to pay taxes on all monies earned overseas for both of those years?
@ naturegirl, payments made to IRS are completely independent of monies owed to SS and state/local taxes.
@ zero: i couldnt open the link you provided. i have never heard that taxes had to be paid on privates. i thought it was just a residency law that determined whether one had to pay taxes or not. additionally, if these monies are viewed as self-employment, then my "company" would be a foreign based company and not taxable in the US but in the country i live in.
i dont hold much hope for SS either. my mother and grandmother can no longer live on ss alone, where as before they could. and my grandmother owns her house ourtight. but when making other investments, there is a capital gains tax to be paid on earned income. the stock market has pretty much recovered, so unless people cashed out, there losses were only temporary and on paper only. if they were getting payouts instead of having the dividends re-inevested, they did take a hit for a while.
also, someone posted that interest earned on bank accounts and the like wasnt taxed as personal income. i always thought that is was because i used to get a w2 or w4 (some number) income statement from my bank. there is also a line on the 1040 EZ and 1040A forms to report interest as earned income. if this interest is indeed counted as income, would i be right to assume that it counts towards my 90K exemption, where as the capital gains on stocks wouldnt be exempt?
my last statement from SS said that i will get $255/month when i retire. happy happy joy joy. i cant buy property in the country i live in. so i just save as much as i can. i get 7% interest on my us dollar cd's. that is my retirement fund. |
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Zero
Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 1402
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| travelNteach wrote: |
@ professor gringo: i thought the in order to be eligible for tax exempt status, one had to be living/working abroad 300/or 330+ days in the tax year. with your system, wouldnt you have to pay taxes on all monies earned overseas for both of those years?
@ naturegirl, payments made to IRS are completely independent of monies owed to SS and state/local taxes.
@ zero: i couldnt open the link you provided. i have never heard that taxes had to be paid on privates. i thought it was just a residency law that determined whether one had to pay taxes or not. additionally, if these monies are viewed as self-employment, then my "company" would be a foreign based company and not taxable in the US but in the country i live in.
i dont hold much hope for SS either. my mother and grandmother can no longer live on ss alone, where as before they could. and my grandmother owns her house ourtight. but when making other investments, there is a capital gains tax to be paid on earned income. the stock market has pretty much recovered, so unless people cashed out, there losses were only temporary and on paper only. if they were getting payouts instead of having the dividends re-inevested, they did take a hit for a while.
also, someone posted that interest earned on bank accounts and the like wasnt taxed as personal income. i always thought that is was because i used to get a w2 or w4 (some number) income statement from my bank. there is also a line on the 1040 EZ and 1040A forms to report interest as earned income. if this interest is indeed counted as income, would i be right to assume that it counts towards my 90K exemption, where as the capital gains on stocks wouldnt be exempt?
my last statement from SS said that i will get $255/month when i retire. happy happy joy joy. i cant buy property in the country i live in. so i just save as much as i can. i get 7% interest on my us dollar cd's. that is my retirement fund. |
You still pay self-employment tax (SS and Medicare) through the IRS, which gives these instructions: "In order to report your Social Security and Medicare taxes, you must file Schedule SE (Form 1040), Self-Employment Tax (PDF). Use the income or loss calculated on Schedule C or Schedule C-EZ to calculate the amount of Social Security and Medicare taxes you should have paid during the year." http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/selfemployed/index.html#obligations
And you are definitely on the hook for self-employment tax if you are self-employed overseas. The IRS has this to say: "If you are abroad and you are a self-employed U.S. citizen or resident you generally are subject to the self-employment tax. This is a social security and Medicare tax on net earnings from self-employment of $400 or more a year."
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/international/article/0,,id=97160,00.html
As for SS and personal savings, it's not an either/or proposition. We shouldn't count on SS covering all of cour costs in retirement. But we'll need whatever we can get. Imagine if your mother and grandmother didn't have their SS checks.
Now, the other side is that some feel they could do better investing on their own, rather than paying SS taxes. Reasonable enough point of view, given the risk that the U.S. will screw us over when it's time for our payments. I hope to fund my retirement through a combination of personal savings, SS, maybe a little part-time work if I feel like it, and perhaps living in a cheap country, if there are any left then.
Now for the real question: Where the heck are you getting 7 percent on CDs??? I want to sign up. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 12:04 am Post subject: |
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| johntpartee wrote: |
Social Security Administration
Office of Public Inquiries
Windsor Park Building
6401 Security Blvd.
Baltimore, MD 21235
SSA also provides a service whereby they will automatically send you a yearly update of the credits you have. |
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| travelNteach wrote: |
@ professor gringo: i thought the in order to be eligible for tax exempt status, one had to be living/working abroad 300/or 330+ days in the tax year. with your system, wouldnt you have to pay taxes on all monies earned overseas for both of those years?
@ naturegirl, payments made to IRS are completely independent of monies owed to SS and state/local taxes.
@ zero: i couldnt open the link you provided. i have never heard that taxes had to be paid on privates. i thought it was just a residency law that determined whether one had to pay taxes or not. additionally, if these monies are viewed as self-employment, then my "company" would be a foreign based company and not taxable in the US but in the country i live in. |
So how do I pay SS?
Actually, for the 2555 you have to pass the PPT (physical presence test) OR be a bona fide resident. For the latter, you can spend any amount of time in the US.
For the self emp taxes, unless you earn $400 or less A YEAR, then you have to file the Sch C and Sch SE, Hereh's the link,
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=98846,00.html
Here's a quote,
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Who Must Pay Self-Employment Tax?
You must pay self-employment tax and file Schedule SE (Form 1040) if either of the following applies.
* Your net earnings from self-employment (excluding church employee income) were $400 or more. |
And you're right, if your company is a foreign company, that means registered and that you're paying foreign taxes, and can prove it, then you don't have to pay US taxes, but rather file the 1116 |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:20 am Post subject: |
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Naturegirl... if you have declared income on your Schedule C, you paid the social security with the tax return. That is the *only* way that you can pay in. There are no voluntary payments allowed.
Social security has a pretty decent website and you can order the report of your earnings. It will not report "credits" but it will tell you what years you had income and how much - and whether you are vested with the 40 quarters (credits). It will also tell you your approximate monthly check at 62, 66, or 70 years of age at retirement.
I always suggest that people get this report and check all the entries. I found that for 3 years, 2 in the 1970s and 1 in the 1980s, a large portion of my income was not included. Fortunately I had all of my tax returns back to prehistoric times, so was able to correct them. It takes one to two years for them to make these corrections.
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
| Naturegirl... if you have declared income on your Schedule C, you paid the social security with the tax return. That is the *only* way that you can pay in. There are no voluntary payments allowed. |
Oh yea! I will have to do that. I guess I?ve paid in two years then. |
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naturegirl321

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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 4:08 am Post subject: |
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Slight problem, either the SSA website is blocked in Korea or busy, I can't load the page  |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:00 am Post subject: |
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Is this the address that you tried?
http://www.ssa.gov/
It is strange that it would be blocked. Can you get into irs.gov?
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
Is this the address that you tried?
http://www.ssa.gov/
It is strange that it would be blocked. Can you get into irs.gov?
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Can get into IRS, but not SSA. Don't know why. Maybe it's just busy? |
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laylow
Joined: 12 Feb 2011 Posts: 37
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:15 am Post subject: Roth Accounts |
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One thing I know for a fact is if your sole income is outside of the states and you have not established a Roth account, it doesn't matter how much money you have in your U.S. bank account or under your mattress for that matter. To start such an account, you must be able to provide a W2 form from the previous tax year showing a certain amount of earnings (I am unaware of what that minimum requirement is).
However I am not sure if once you do open one up whether you have to continue to show such documentation or whether it is just show it once to set it up and then throw whatever you want in there regardless of where it came from.
But the former, I am positive of, as I returned to the states for a couple months, got an ordinary part-time job mainly to keep busy until I headed back to the Middle East and then when I received the W2 and emailed it to my investor for American fFunds, I was informed I had not earned enough income to start a ROTH (and also told that the income must be from the states). Let me note that I had already had an investment account with over $25,000. And I could not convert it to a Roth because my income earned WITHIN the states for the previous year was not enough. So it appears you could earn millions yearly, but if is not a US company or on US soil you can't open a ROTH or even convert to one! |
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JordanX
Joined: 28 Jan 2011 Posts: 24
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Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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| At first, I was just idly considering moving to Israel. Now I definitely am. |
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elamericano
Joined: 10 Nov 2007 Posts: 65
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Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| TEFLers, and really anyone working overseas on a work visa for a foreign employer, can be considered self-employed because they are usually on time-limited work contracts because of how work visas operate. Therefore they can declare this status and pay the self-employment tax for their FICA contributions. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:39 am Post subject: |
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| elamericano wrote: |
| TEFLers, and really anyone working overseas on a work visa for a foreign employer, can be considered self-employed because they are usually on time-limited work contracts because of how work visas operate. Therefore they can declare this status and pay the self-employment tax for their FICA contributions. |
I don't know. I've always filed the 2555 on my foreign income, since it's my main job and then the Sch C and Sch SE on self employment.
Why pay double taxes? Honestly, you'd have to pay taxes on your foreign income in the foreign country and then AGAIN to the IRS. YOu COULD do the 1116 though. Kind of a happy medium. |
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naturegirl321

Joined: 04 May 2003 Posts: 9041 Location: home sweet home
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| JordanX wrote: |
| At first, I was just idly considering moving to Israel. Now I definitely am. |
What kind of taxes and retirement system do they have? |
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