|
Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Students and Teachers from Around the World!"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2041
Location: A World of my Own
|
 Posted: Wed Feb 16, 2011 4:45 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
| Quote: |
| Most of the great social movements have been fought over decades or centuries and at times with great leadership (King, Ghandi, too many to list). Conciousness about issues shift, conditions change and so on as does any struggle for change. |
Good examples, but as the original post was about employment conditions, (King & Gandhi were fighting for much bigger issues!) that is down to economic and political strategy, and is achievable in a much shorter period if it is tackled at grassroots level, as was proven by the aforementioned lady.
As someone who lived through the chaos in the UK in the 1970s, when British industry was riddled with bad products and union-led poor industrial relations, a legacy of Clement Atlee's nationalization project, it's not difficult to be influenced politically by an administration that in one decade tranformed a culture and an economy, by privatization and crushing of the unions. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
tideout
Joined: 05 Feb 2011
Posts: 213
|
| Posted: Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:15 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Phil_K wrote: |
| Quote: |
| Most of the great social movements have been fought over decades or centuries and at times with great leadership (King, Ghandi, too many to list). Conciousness about issues shift, conditions change and so on as does any struggle for change. |
Good examples, but as the original post was about employment conditions, (King & Gandhi were fighting for much bigger issues!) that is down to economic and political strategy, and is achievable in a much shorter period if it is tackled at grassroots level, as was proven by the aforementioned lady.
As someone who lived through the chaos in the UK in the 1970s, when British industry was riddled with bad products and union-led poor industrial relations, a legacy of Clement Atlee's nationalization project, it's not difficult to be influenced politically by an administration that in one decade tranformed a culture and an economy, by privatization and crushing of the unions. |
Yes, I think we may be responding to different thngs out of the original post. Aside from that, there's a pretty circular argument on this that goes nowhere quickly - I've got a good union example, you've got a bad one, I've got a good one etc. etc. etc.
As you probably know, King was killed in Memphis while there to support stiking janitors and numerous writers say he was as concerned about labor issues as racial issues. I guess it's possible to seperate broader issues of fairness from labor theoretically, but I don't know if it happens very often in the real world.......
I enjoyed the chat! Lots to think about going on in the UK these days no? Europe in general...hell, even the Mid-East! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
