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JZer



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is what the website really says:

Personal Exemption Taxpayer, Spouse and Dependent: 82,000 (per person)
Lineal Ascendant who is over 70 years old: 123,000 (per person)
Standard Deduction Single: 76,000
Married couple: 152,000
Special Deduction for Salary or Wages* 104,000 (per earner)


82,000+104,000+76,000=262000+120000=382000

Not to mention that you can get an extra 120,000 deduction for showing your lease agreement.

80,000 a month time 12 months=960,000NT-382000=578000 taxable income-69360=74220 a month $2512 a month.

I said that you have around $2820. I was doing a rough calculation in my head.
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yamahuh



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK I admit - I obviously didn't read it closely enough and your guesstimation turned out to be pretty close to the mark Rolling Eyes

Don't know what it is about your posts that sets me off but there's something about them (smug / self important / boastful?) that is like a red rag to a bull for me. I told myself I wouldn't argue with you but ....

Perhaps I might suggest that in future you support your claims with some references / supporting documentation or some breakdowns that explain the process rather than making statements that seem far fetched at best and like bold faced lies at worst.

Sure - you can make $80K if you want to teach in excess of 30 hours week in and week out. Sure - your total tax paid might be only 6% tax after you have initially paid 18% for 6 months - and (possibly) 12% for the remaining 6 months - and filed your claim the following Spring - and waited a few months for your return...

However, to suggest that you will have around $2820 (US I'm assuming) after tax, from $NT80K earned is misleading and makes people believe that this would be in their pocket month after month if they were to earn that much. It won't. That is my issue with your posts. They paint an easily misinterpreted picture and provide little to no detail of the process, or the hoops that must be jumped through, to achieve the silver lined nirvana that is your Taiwan.

I'll admit your tax exemptions and deduction numbers work even though your math for calculating the 6% final paid tax was very - let's say - 'optimistic'. You might think about how your information appears to someone who is looking for advice/information.

I'd hate to be the person showing up here, expecting to waltz into an easy to find, $NT80K per month gig, paying negligible tax only to get smacked with an 18% deduction on their (average) $NT55 - $NT60K wage that they had to pound the streets for and are teaching split shifts to get.

JZer wrote:

I said that you have around $2820. I was doing a rough calculation in my head.


Try using a calculator - there's probably one on your computer...
$2500 isn't 'around' $2800...If you go back and read my first post (after you quoted that still inaccurate number) you will see that I was talking about tax paid over the course of the year (from month to month) and not tax paid over the course of the year after you have filed and received your tax return.

Stating that 'you have around $2820 to spend after taxes' implies that it will be available and in your pocket. Failing to mention that you will pay 2 - 3X that much tax during the course of the year, will have to file and then wait up to 18 months from your first pay (if you arrive in January) to drop your total taxes paid to 6% is a bit misleading wouldn't you say?
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louis.p



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JZer wrote:
yamahuh wrote:
JZer wrote:


Actually if you are working at 7-11 for $9.85 an hour then you are living in a western country and are really only earning about $1500 a month after taxes. If you earn $3000 a month in Taiwan you have around $2820 to spend after taxes.


Hmmmm - really?

$80000 NT - 18% withholding tax ($NT 14,400) = $65,600 / 29.385 (today's exchange rate and a damn good one at that) = $2,232 US for the first 6 months (not including health insurance deductions)

After the first 6 months a few things could happen - one possibility is that it merely drops to the 'normal' rate of 12% - 13% - the best is the possibility that you pay no tax for the rest of the year, which is not guaranteed but let's assume that it happens.

6 months at $NT80,000 = $NT480,000 + (6 X $65,600) $NT 393,600 = $NT 873,600 / 29.385 = $29,729 / 12 months = $2,477 per month averaged over the year (not including health insurance deductions).
If your school takes the full tax withholding rate this is your best case scenario IF you can actually make $80K a month.

Where do you get $2820 from?



Um, you would get all of the tax back over 6 percent when you file your taxes!


I broke the million NT line the 2009 tax year (worked a lot ) and my tax rate was at 13%.
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yamahuh



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DAMN that's a ton o loot!
You should have sent your tax return to JZ'er he would have saved you a bunch of money - while educating you about everything under the sun...
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JZer



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Try using a calculator - there's probably one on your computer...
$2500 isn't 'around' $2800...If you go back and read my first post (after you quoted that still inaccurate number) you will see that I was talking about tax paid over the course of the year (from month to month) and not tax paid over the course of the year after you have filed and received your tax return.


Actually $2500 is pretty close to $2800 and you didn't even get the point. The point was not what the exact figure was. The point is that if one teaches in Taiwan they will have a substantial amount of money more to spend than earning $3000 US at 7-11 in Canada or the United States.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JZer wrote:
Taiwan is great. You should be able to earn 80,000 if you come to Taipei. I am not sure how easy it is to earn that kind of money outside of Taipei.



yamahuh, ok fine. You should be able to earn 80,000 a month before taxes.

To do that you need one buxiban job paying 60,000 a month and two private students. You will possibily be taxed 18 percent on the 60,000

60,000-10,800=49,200+20,000 from privates=69,200.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Don't know what it is about your posts that sets me off but there's something about them (smug / self important / boastful?) that is like a red rag to a bull for me. I told myself I wouldn't argue with you but ....


Boastful, I consider 80,000 peanuts but if you think that earning 80,000 is boastful then I don't know what to say.

Actually things are pretty balanced. Two posters say that one can earn 80,000 a month in Taiwan and two people take issues with that.

The average person reading this forum should see that working in Taiwan has many different realities. For some earning 80,000 is nothing. For others they seem to have trouble earning 30,000NT a month. It seems that the moral of the story is up to each person individually.
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yamahuh



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're preaching to an empty auditorium.

JZer wrote:

yamahuh, ok fine. You should be able to earn 80,000 a month before taxes.



I wasn't arguing that you could or couldn't. What's more I don't care how you want to try to justify what you have posted. I've said my piece. If you don't like it - well - that's just too bad. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who's tired of reading your 'the grass here is so green it's damn near neon' posts.

Buh Bye.
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